RonSwanson

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Could certainly get started on a proper system for that money.
Rather get a local contractor to fill up your pool with building rubble and either pave or grass it off. Personally, I have no need for a pool and I will avoid buying any home with one, been that way for the past 20 years, it's just not worth it since the ANC controlled Eskom's runaway electricity costs and runaway water costs.

A quick cost / benefit analysis will tell most folk the same thing, unless you are using everyday, year round (which includes water heating in winter) it's simply not worth it. So unless you are generating an income from the pool (like giving swimming lessons) or have children that are budding Olympic swimming stars, there's simply no need to carry an ANC imposed millstone around your neck.
 

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Exactly this sort of thing, will check it out thank you. Will see if somebody supplies the entire kit including panels and connectors but I do like it a lot :)




.75kw running 8 hours per day since we had a huge algae problem.

Just want to share a quick story. I paid a visit to the eye doctor this week and she told me she'd had solar installed about a year ago and that a private guy had done the entire installation for R240k.

After she'd checked my vision her phone rang and she excused herself and took the call. I heard her say something about batteries and asked what was going on.

Very casually she told me that a friend noticed her batteries had been installed in the hot ceiling and were a fire hazard so she was getting them moved :eek:

It's a jungle out there and this is what us (me) uninformed plebs have to put up with - well not me because I run to you guys for advice, but it makes one wonder how these crooks get away with it.
this is 2800w worth of panels on 2 x hoymiles 1.2kw grid ties
could use 0.6kw grid tie ( r3k geewiz ) , with 2 x 400w panels , it will ofsett atleast 600w for a few hours a day
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Rather get a local contractor to fill up your pool with building rubble and either pave or grass it off. Personally, I have no need for a pool and I will avoid buying any home with one, been that way for the past 20 years, it's just not worth it since the ANC controlled Eskom's runaway electricity costs and runaway water costs.

A quick cost / benefit analysis will tell most folk the same thing, unless you are using everyday, year round (which includes water heating in winter) it's simply not worth it. So unless you are generating an income from the pool (like giving swimming lessons) or have children that are budding Olympic swimming stars, there's simply no need to carry an ANC imposed millstone around your neck.

This could be an option.

A year or two back I was quoted R45k to fill the pool in and just last week a lady who had house renovations done was offering to share costs of removing rubble potentially to fill in a pool.
 

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This could be an option.

A year or two back I was quoted R45k to fill the pool in and just last week a lady who had house renovations done was offering to share costs of removing rubble potentially to fill in a pool.
One would think draining the water out and covering the pool would be the most logical thing than completely messing things up by dumping rubble in a fully functional pool?
 
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Rather get a local contractor to fill up your pool with building rubble and either pave or grass it off. Personally, I have no need for a pool and I will avoid buying any home with one, been that way for the past 20 years, it's just not worth it since the ANC controlled Eskom's runaway electricity costs and runaway water costs.

A quick cost / benefit analysis will tell most folk the same thing, unless you are using everyday, year round (which includes water heating in winter) it's simply not worth it. So unless you are generating an income from the pool (like giving swimming lessons) or have children that are budding Olympic swimming stars, there's simply no need to carry an ANC imposed millstone around your neck.

Disagree completely. You don't have to use a pool every day to make it worthwhile. I was in my pool over the weekend, on a hot Sunday afternoon. At the point, it was worth it to me and my wife.

Everyone has different uses and needs for pool and spending 50k or more to fill it up is ridiculous. Power + water usage won't even cost you that over a decade.

So it makes zero sense to fill a pool with rubble.
 

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Disagree completely. You don't have to use a pool every day to make it worthwhile. I was in my pool over the weekend, on a hot Sunday afternoon. At the point, it was worth it to me and my wife.

Everyone has different uses and needs for pool and spending 50k or more to fill it up is ridiculous. Power + water usage won't even cost you that over a decade.

So it makes zero sense to fill a pool with rubble.
Agreed that 45-50k is excessive, it should cost no more than 2-3k.

Also agreed that everyone is different, and value different things.
 

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running my pool on the Sunsynk Smart Load option, so the pump runs when there is 1.1 kW of excess power available, which adds up to quite a few hours a day and the pool is covered when not in use.
 

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One would think draining the water out and covering the pool would be the most logical thing that completely messing things up by dumping rubble in a fully functional pool?

I've seen pics of people who turn their empty pools into functional sunken gardens and they look supoib :)D), also provide a wonderful warm/hot space in winter but, yes now that you mention it that's a very appealing idea. Hanging plants etc and a small garden set, maybe a piece of artificial grass - ooh - it's marbelite - would the walls collapse :eek:

Disagree completely. You don't have to use a pool every day to make it worthwhile. I was in my pool over the weekend, on a hot Sunday afternoon. At the point, it was worth it to me and my wife.

Everyone has different uses and needs for pool and spending 50k or more to fill it up is ridiculous. Power + water usage won't even cost you that over a decade.

So it makes zero sense to fill a pool with rubble.

See this is also true, a pool is a lifestyle choice. The costs are outrageous but there's nothing better than looking out over a lovely garden and sparkling pool especially now with working from home. Occasionally on quiet days one could even imagine being out of JHB at a lodge of some sort.

Ours has been used a handful of times over the last 10 years but it is beautiful and relaxing <3
 

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See this is also true, a pool is a lifestyle choice. The costs are outrageous but there's nothing better than looking out over a lovely garden and sparkling pool especially now with working from home. Occasionally on quiet days one could even imagine being out of JHB at a lodge of some sort.

Ours has been used a handful of times over the last 10 years but it is beautiful and relaxing <3

Agreed, it's lifestyle choice. I don't even think it's that expensive to run and maintain a pool. I chuck in one HTH floater a month and maybe top up that water once every few months. That's literally all I do. I also run the pump 8hrs a day throughout the whole year. It's not needed, but it doesn't cost me anything to do that - you can get away with running it much less.

Sometimes we don't even get in the pool completely; the wife and I will sit by the stairs with our legs in, just to cool off with some drinks. Nothing beat that.

When we have kids; they'll have plenty use out of it.

So yeah, for me, personally, I love having a pool.

Planning on heating it this year or next year too. So we can use it during winter as well.
 

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It's different story if you went to a specialist store, and made a purchasing decision based on advice given by salesperson, but Makro is basically a retail grocery store.

I understand. I have lost r3000, nothing much I can do

Makro sent it back to the suppliers and they gave me a battery replacement :love:, I don't know if it's new or refurbished but it came in a new box, and its not the same battery I sent. Plus I tested it and it's working fine.
They took almost 2 months but I am happy.
 

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Makro sent it back to the suppliers and they gave me a battery replacement :love:, I don't know if it's new or refurbished but it came in a new box, and its not the same battery I sent. Plus I tested it and it's working fine.
They took almost 2 months but I am happy.
That's pretty cool!
Good on Makro, and good for you!
 

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Dunno if it's been posted before (I did a quick check, but could have missed it), but here is a link to Australia's Lithium Ion Battery Test Centre's April 2021 report.

Interesting notables:
  • The Pylontech US2000 is still going strong.
  • Another contender worthy of watching is sonnenBatterie.
  • Disappointing that the Lithium Titanate (LTO) from Aeon appears to have some comms issues, so the inverter is guessing the SoC from voltage, caveman style. I guess that finding certified supported inverters is an issue with any newish battery technology, so here's hoping that they sort it quickly before the next report (October).
Lastly, I'd love to see the Hubble Lithiums enter one of the phases, but then again stock levels are so low (due to the chip shortage) that they can't even keep up with consumer demand, leave alone releasing a unit for testing.

 
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Looking for some sage advice here gents - we want to put in a starter inverter system for our home to get us through loadshedding. Initially just inverter and batteries with the option to add panels later as budget permits. Which, if any, of the options below makes sense and has anyone dealt with Freshtec before?

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Looking for some sage advice here gents - we want to put in a starter inverter system for our home to get us through loadshedding. Initially just inverter and batteries with the option to add panels later as budget permits. Which, if any, of the options below makes sense and has anyone dealt with Freshtec before?

This question deserves its own thread. I am also considering this exact approach.
 

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Looking for some sage advice here gents - we want to put in a starter inverter system for our home to get us through loadshedding. Initially just inverter and batteries with the option to add panels later as budget permits. Which, if any, of the options below makes sense and has anyone dealt with Freshtec before?

This question deserves its own thread. I am also considering this exact approach.

I can't comment specifically on the systems listed or Freshtec but we went through this in 2019 and ended up with the following installed along with all the necessary supporting electrical components like fuses, switches, cabling, isolators, etc. The inverter and batteries were installed first for load shedding and then the PV kit was installed to reduce our reliance on CityPower.

Victron Multiplus 3kVa 48v Inverter/Charger
Four OmniPower 12V 120Ah OPR Deep Cycle Rechargeable AGM/Gel Hybrid VRLA Batteries
Victron Energy SmartSolar MPPT 250/70-Tr Solar Charge Controller
Victron Venus GX
Ten CanadianSolar 360w PV panels

While we are really happy with the system, I suggest staying away from LA batteries and just go for LiFePo from the start. I would also recommend at a minimum a hybrid 5kVa inverter which will be more futureproof than smaller or grid tied inverters.
 

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I can't comment specifically on the systems listed or Freshtec but we went through this in 2019 and ended up with the following installed along with all the necessary supporting electrical components like fuses, switches, cabling, isolators, etc. The inverter and batteries were installed first for load shedding and then the PV kit was installed to reduce our reliance on CityPower.

Victron Multiplus 3kVa 48v Inverter/Charger
Four OmniPower 12V 120Ah OPR Deep Cycle Rechargeable AGM/Gel Hybrid VRLA Batteries
Victron Energy SmartSolar MPPT 250/70-Tr Solar Charge Controller
Victron Venus GX
Ten CanadianSolar 360w PV panels

While we are really happy with the system, I suggest staying away from LA batteries and just go for LiFePo from the start. I would also recommend at a minimum a hybrid 5kVa inverter which will be more futureproof than smaller or grid tied inverters.
Yeah there are cheaper options that use LA and after reading through this and other threads i decided it might be wiser to just dive into the LiFePo - although its more expensive for relatively lower / similar capacities.
 

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Yeah there are cheaper options that use LA and after reading through this and other threads i decided it might be wiser to just dive into the LiFePo - although its more expensive for relatively lower / similar capacities.

In my experience, LA's are only cheaper in purchase price and even that is being challenged with LiFePo battery pricing coming down. If you look at the usability and expected life span of the two, LiFePo is cheaper in the long term , especially if you add PV and start using the batteries for daily electrical needs.
 

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In my experience, LA's are only cheaper in purchase price and even that is being challenged with LiFePo battery pricing coming down.

Are the prices drastically dropping for the LiFePo batteries? Would it be worth it to get LA batteries now and then invest in a bigger LiFePo battery pack a few years down the line (5 years give or take).
 

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Are the prices drastically dropping for the LiFePo batteries? Would it be worth it to get LA batteries now and then invest in a bigger LiFePo battery pack a few years down the line (5 years give or take).
No. Lifepo or bust :unsure:

In a bit more seriousness, this would depend on your use case. If you're only looking at backup for loadshedding, then LA is an option, but if you're looking at more regular usage then LiFePo4 is FAR better option.
 
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