The case for suing parents who don’t vaccinate their kids—or criminally charging them

[googoodoll]

Disease and idiocy are two different things unfortunately, your kid HAS to go to school with other kids but you don't need to drive

That's not the point I'm making. People are so concerned about the welfare of their children when other people could cause them harm but don't think twice about endangering their own children's lives.

 

[Sinbad]

No. Accountable for what? Their children catching a disease?

Did you read the original post?
The hypothetical situation is that the unvaccinated four year old catches measles and passes it on at day care to a one year old baby (not yet old enough to be vaccinated) and the baby dies.

 

[googoodoll]

Disease and idiocy are two different things unfortunately, your kid HAS to go to school with other kids but you don't need to drive

And the only people who don't need to drive are those who can jog 60km or so in an hour

 

[STS]

Ever read Disprin's package insert? Scary stuff...

I don't think one can make a reasonable argument for mandating vaccination (or much of anything not directly harmful to others, really) through legislation. However, I'll exercise my right to consider you a moron if you share most everyone's easy access to information in this age and you still neglect or refuse to have your children vaccinated.

almost all medicines have side effects - the difference is they warn you about it, and nobody is forcing you to take a disprin. you can seek other methods or get second opinions, or live a lifestyle that may prevent headaches in the first place. making thing compulsory and when it harms somebody is unethical in my opinion.

I think that education and not legislation is the answer here.

I hate the urrent trend of creating laws that are impossible to enforce for everything.

Also, vaccines may have a few potential side effects but the diseases they protect against have killed millions of babies and children. It is all about perspective.

education is important, and warning people of the side effects is also important as well as telling them the importance of it and asking them to encourage friends and family to do it is also essential. it would be a nightmare to enforce, and when/if things go pear-shaped, you do not have murderers getting away scott free as parents understood the risk

 

[STS]

And the only people who don't need to drive are those who can jog 60km or so in an hour

life is complicated, as i said in anther thread it is a grey area. you can home school your kids, and then you remove them from many diseases and germs. you can choose to travel at different times or choose to drive slowly, you can move closer to a school, you can also change cars to own something more safe. unfortunately you cannot choose your body, but you can choose how you react to outside threats

 

[STS]

Not really.

It would be easy enough to enforce a law that mandates vaccination for all school-attending children.

there is already a law as far as i know? there are also exceptions to the law in regards to certain kids health as many kids have allergies

 

[googoodoll]

Did you read the original post?
The hypothetical situation is that the unvaccinated four year old catches measles and passes it on at day care to a one year old baby (not yet old enough to be vaccinated) and the baby dies.

Everyone has to die of something

 

[STS]

Everyone has to die of something

the problem is that you don't really want your kids to die of somebody else's mistake

 

[googoodoll]

the problem is that you don't really want your kids to die of somebody else's mistake

We can't always blame other people for everything. Why don't we just all get vaccinated for everything and stay locked up in our houses and then nothing can happen to anyone.

 

[STS]

We can't always blame other people for everything. Why don't we just all get vaccinated for everything and stay locked up in our houses and then nothing can happen to anyone.

that is what i'm arguing against, however with making it compulsory, i'd rather you give parents a choice as to where it be done, to first have their child checked if it is safe, to allow parents to not do it if they feel it is in their kids best interest, etc.

 

[googoodoll]

that is what i'm arguing against, however with making it compulsory, i'd rather you give parents a choice as to where it be done, to first have their child checked if it is safe, to allow parents to not do it if they feel it is in their kids best interest, etc.

Then everyone is happy.
No need for people to get worked up.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

So who do i claim compensation from or lay charges against when my child gets Autisim from the MMR vac?

Can we lay charges against you for spreading BS?

We can't always blame other people for everything. Why don't we just all get vaccinated for everything and stay locked up in our houses and then nothing can happen to anyone.

If we all get vaccinated then we don't have to stay locked up. That's the point.

You have a very strange way of looking at the world.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

that is what i'm arguing against, however with making it compulsory, i'd rather you give parents a choice as to where it be done, to first have their child checked if it is safe, to allow parents to not do it if they feel it is in their kids best interest, etc.

Then everyone is happy.
No need for people to get worked up.

Not the parents of the baby that died because you didn't vaccinate your kid.

 

[BobsLawnService]

Or they can just get vaccinated and all play nicely together.

I think that part of the problem is that most children are vaccinated so we don't see mass outbreaks and huge deathtolls amongst children anymore. This has made people complacent.

 

[googoodoll]

Can we lay charges against you for spreading BS?



If we all get vaccinated then we don't have to stay locked up. That's the point.

You have a very strange way of looking at the world.

I don't think its strange Just saying we can't be protected from everything.

 

[googoodoll]

Not the parents of the baby that died because you didn't vaccinate your kid.

They also wouldn't be happy if the child fell down the stairs and died.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Or they can just get vaccinated and all play nicely together.

I think that part of the problem is that most children are vaccinated so we don't see mass outbreaks and huge deathtolls amongst children anymore. This has made people complacent.

Not here, no. But there was a recent outbreak of whooping cough in the USA, and some fatalities, too, I think. Because people listen to morons like Jenny McCarthy.

I don't think its strange Just saying we can't be protected from everything.

Of course we can't. But there are many things we can be protected from, and in a quite reasonable manner, too. The whole point is, your choice not to vaccinate does not only affect you. There's a societal responsibility involved here.

 

[STS]

Not the parents of the baby that died because you didn't vaccinate your kid.

there are 4 kinds of people in this scenario

1.) Those that do not get vaccinated - they do not get the disease
2.) Those that do not get vaccinated - they do get the disease
3.) Those that do get vaccinated - they do not get the disease
4.) Those that do get vaccinated - they do get the disease

You do not know what category your child will fall into, but it would make sense to put your child in category 3 or 4 to protect them later in life. However, making it COMPULSORY to have your vaccination, no exceptions, is dangerous as every vaccine has it's side effects and odds of actually being useful.

Like all medicine, not all vaccinations are the same and some children cannot have vaccines due to allergies or weakened immune systems. It does not mean that because they do not receive a vaccine, that they are going to die, it simply means that they will not be as resistant to the disease IF it happens.

There are thousands of people who have not been vaccinated and have died, there are also thousands who have not been vaccinated at all and are still fine today

edit: and as before, i do not appreciate people who's counter argument is "well that kid would have died from the disease anyway". wow, really? no ****. thank you for being human. let's kill children en mass sooner

 

[Sinbad]

We can't always blame other people for everything. Why don't we just all get vaccinated for everything and stay locked up in our houses and then nothing can happen to anyone.

But in this case we can...

 

[googoodoll]

Everyone is responsible for their own children and no-one else's. You can do what you can to protect them but that's about it. Sooner or later something bad will happen to them and as long as you did what you could and what you thought was right, what more do you want to do? Remember how the pro-vaccine parent feels about vaccination is the same way an anti-vaccine parent feels and as much as you wouldn't want to be forced to do something which is against what you believe, neither would they.