The Cruelest Cut: Capped for life at age zero

[Surv0]

This, religious reasons aside. Uncut is just filthy.

dont forget the cheese

 

[Claymore]

From experience, i know that having a cut penis isnt bad, who cares about what is said about having it done, my life is fine.
I will pass on the snip to my son.

Personally, I would always want my kids to have better than I had. That's just my opinion though.

This, religious reasons aside. Uncut is just filthy.

Is that the best argument you've got for it? Ever heard of soap and water?

And by the way, even the Hebrews saw the value of the foreskin; why else would circumcision be considered a sacrifice? It's no sacrifice if you're giving up something of no value.

 

[Surv0]

Personally, I would always want my kids to have better than I had. That's just my opinion though.

Can you tell from experience what the difference is between being cut and uncut? If not how can you tell whats better?

 

[CyraxHB]

Can you tell from experience what the difference is between being cut and uncut? If not how can you tell whats better?

I got myself snipped a few months ago due to a tight foreskin. Now having experienced both situations I would still prefer to have a foreskin.

I find it funny that some people make such a big deal about uncircumcised guys having to wash under the foreskin. If a guy doesnt bother to wash there then he most likely doesnt wash other parts of his body either.

 

[guest2013-1]

Its personal choice. Tight foreskin (if discussed with a proper doctor) has solutions other than having it snipped. My doc gave me all options.

I'm not sure if I should report the OP or not. back in 2004 (or they probably still have this problem) there was this annoying user on the health24 forums constantly and consitantly posting how bad and cruel circumsition is.

I respect his/her opinion and all others who respond to something like that, sharing their experiences and giving a wider perspective to someone who might have not have had the same train of thought. However, that idiot, was relentless. Didn't listen (or want to listen) to other's responses and in the end just got himself banned several times for flogging the dead horse so much. If I recall correctly his ISP got involved as well...

I'm not saying this is the same person starting topics here now. But with the recent (recent being last couple of months) of posts about circumsition etc on this forum I might have to start reporting these thread starters just so that they don't taint this forum with their narrowminded stubborn opinion all the time. It sure as hell made the health24 forums a place I did not want to be!

Anyway. Steriod based cream helped the tightness of my foreskin enough to function normally now. Surgery (any surgery) is always a last resort. I wouldn't say I want my foreskin off as I know how sensitive it is, but in the same breath I can say that I don't know how it is without one so I don't have an informed opinion about it realistically. And neither do people who have been circumsized at birth as to them it is NORMAL.

If you were born without legs to you it is normal. If you were born without the ability to hear to you it is normal. Sure they weren't BORN that way but you won't be able to remember the few hours just after birth with your new dinga-ling now would you?

Anyway. Just warning people. Idiots all around us and the one I refer to made a bad stink in those forums and I wouldn't want it to happen here as well.

Next new thread I see posted like that I will ask admins to review the case.

 

[guest2013-1]

Oh, and doing something in the name of religion to someone else in any way shape or form that denies their own ability to have a choice over said action to me is wrong.

The only reason why I would EVER have my child circumsized is if there is a sound medical reason for it to be. Recent example, a friend of mine's new born had a problem where the foreskin was entirely closed (no hole) and the penis started inverting causing extreme pain. Circumsition was their only choice and I'm glad they did it. The little tike seems much happier now.

 

[Claymore]

Can you tell from experience what the difference is between being cut and uncut? If not how can you tell whats better?

Practically speaking, there's no way anyone can ever make a true apples-to-apples comparison, for various reasons.

That's said:
- Losing half the nerves in the penis (and in particular, the vast majority of nerves with fine-touch receptors) sure as hell isn't going to improve anything.
- There are orginisations such as NORM with thousands or tens of thousands of members who are prepared to spend 2-3 years using devices to try and regrow a semblance of a foreskin. They certainly aren't doing it if they think there's no value to it.

 

[WJA]

Vote for change in America - Stop RIC

I'm not sure if you've heard, but there's a movement of citizens inspired by the presidential campaign who are now submitting ideas for how they think the Obama Administration should change America. It's called "Ideas for Change in America."

One idea is titled: Intactivism. "Immediately move towards ending routine, non-therapeutic and unnecessary infant circumcision. Support equal rights for boys, girls and intersexed individuals on the subject of bodily integrity, and promote respect for the right to intact genitals."

I thought you might be interested in getting involved and recommend you check it out. You can read more and vote for the idea by clicking the following link:
http://www.change.org/ideas/view/intactivism

The top 10 ideas are going to be presented to the Obama Administration on Inauguration Day and will be supported by a national lobbying campaign run by Change.org, MySpace, and more than a dozen leading nonprofits after the Inauguration. So each idea has a real chance at becoming policy.

Whilst I realise that this does not directly benefit us in SA, a policy change in the USA can have a huge global knock-on effect which we could indirectly benefit from.

I have cast my vote, please do the same.

 

[ZA.Schmidt]

Oh for God's sake. If people are so against it then simply don't have it done to your kids! There's no need to lobby for anything to be made illegal.

 

[Claymore]

Oh for God's sake. If people are so against it then simply don't have it done to your kids! There's no need to lobby for anything to be made illegal.

Sort of like things like murder or rape? If you're against murder or rape, then don't do it?

 

[ZA.Schmidt]

Sort of like things like murder or rape? If you're against murder or rape, then don't do it?

Ok now you're just being stupid. You know very well that's not what I meant. I mean, if people are against circumcision then don't have it done to your kids. Simple hey! Why should it be made illegal? Are people unable to make their own decisions without someone else telling them what to do?

 

[WJA]

Ok now you're just being stupid. You know very well that's not what I meant. I mean, if people are against circumcision then don't have it done to your kids. Simple hey! Why should it be made illegal? Are people unable to make their own decisions without someone else telling them what to do?

Um, yep. It should be made illegal because parents should not be able to make this decision for their children. People are unable to make their own decisions - like babies for instance. Or my own parents who made this decision for me.

You also touch on another point (my own case in example), my parents were ambivalent about this - till their Dr told them to do it. Again, not his decision to make.

 

[Claymore]

Are people unable to make their own decisions without someone else telling them what to do?

You make my point for me. Yes, the victims are typically newborns, and have no say in the decision, don't they?

 

[ZA.Schmidt]

'Victims'... They're no more victims that a dog that gets neutered etc. Perhaps that should also be illegal.

I had it done to me, I don't remember any pain and I function just fine all these years later. Boo-hoo. Except because of it, I'm not some filthy uncut savage. And don't give me stories about 'using soap' - it's still not the same.

 

[w1z4rd]

I'm not sure if you've heard, but there's a movement of citizens inspired by the presidential campaign who are now submitting ideas for how they think the Obama Administration should change America. It's called "Ideas for Change in America."

One idea is titled: Intactivism. "Immediately move towards ending routine, non-therapeutic and unnecessary infant circumcision. Support equal rights for boys, girls and intersexed individuals on the subject of bodily integrity, and promote respect for the right to intact genitals."

I thought you might be interested in getting involved and recommend you check it out. You can read more and vote for the idea by clicking the following link:
http://www.change.org/ideas/view/intactivism

The top 10 ideas are going to be presented to the Obama Administration on Inauguration Day and will be supported by a national lobbying campaign run by Change.org, MySpace, and more than a dozen leading nonprofits after the Inauguration. So each idea has a real chance at becoming policy.

Whilst I realise that this does not directly benefit us in SA, a policy change in the USA can have a huge global knock-on effect which we could indirectly benefit from.

I have cast my vote, please do the same.

Brilliant stuff man! I voted! I see its currently coming 2nd.

 

[w1z4rd]

'Victims'... They're no more victims that a dog that gets neutered etc. Perhaps that should also be illegal.

Thats a silly analogy. We kill animals for food... are ganna kill people for food? Animals get sterilized to stop breeding. Some humans get it as well. The problem here is the lack of choice of the kid in genital mutilation. They lose something because of their parents ignorance... and like other parental hangups... they tend to pass it onto their kids. Change is good!

And don't give me stories about 'using soap' - it's still not the same.

You should seriously use soap. It really does work.

 

[WJA]

'Victims'... They're no more victims that a dog that gets neutered etc. Perhaps that should also be illegal.

I had it done to me, I don't remember any pain and I function just fine all these years later. Boo-hoo. Except because of it, I'm not some filthy uncut savage. And don't give me stories about 'using soap' - it's still not the same.

VICTIM (a definition):

• Anyone who is physically harmed by another.
• somebody who or something that is adversely affected by an action or circumstance
• To be affected or harmed by somebody or something
• Somebody who is hurt or killed by somebody or something
• A person or thing that suffers harm

I too am a VICTIM. I suffered harm which was inflicted on me by another person.

 

[adelp]

You should seriously use soap. It really does work.

LOL!! +100

You must use it everyday!!! Rinsing doesn't work.

This seems like pull your teeth to prevent rot.....?

 

[ZA.Schmidt]

'Victim' is a very broad term and my analogy with the dog isn't silly at all. Dogs love their bonking and I'm sure if they had a choice they would say no to neutering. So maybe you have a point about the kids having no say, but I still can't understand all the fuss over such a non-issue. It's not like circumcision handicaps you in any way. And who is this 'progressive' new law going to apply to?

I can't stand it when other guys aren't cut (I'm not gay). I just find it repulsive in the same way as I get irritated when people walk barefoot in the street or never wash their hair.

 

[adelp]

I can't stand it when other guys aren't cut (I'm not gay). I just find it repulsive in the same way as I get irritated when people walk barefoot in the street or never wash their hair.

This is why i do not understand men...... I have no desire to look at any womens whoha at the gym or anyplace.......