The DA is in total crisis.

Do the DA need a new leader?

  • Yes

    Votes: 119 82.1%
  • No

    Votes: 26 17.9%
  • MMusi saw this poll and resigned.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Epstein didn't kill himself.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    145
  • Poll closed .

LCBXX

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Mmusi sanctioned identity politics and libtard policies and it cost the DA. Confirmation of this is his blaming of "right-wing elements" within the DA in light of recent developments. Another Lib owned by their strategy.
 

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Mmusi sanctioned identity politics and libtard policies and it cost the DA. Confirmation of this is his blaming of "right-wing elements" within the DA in light of recent developments. Another Lib owned by their strategy.
But I thought the DA were always supposed to be liberals.

Yes, looking at the history they trace back to liberal parties and are members of liberal party organisations.

Now identity politics that is something else, but both sides play at identity politics.
 

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Zille was the one who got the DA on the path to becoming ANC Light BTW. You do realise that the DA has ambitions on to rule the country which eventually means going after the black vote again.

If FF+ does not represent your interests then a person shouldn't be voting for them, but if they do they are offer a far greater bang for your vote than the DA does.
Just to be a viable opposition they need a decent proportion of black voters. The question is how to get those votes without alienating the existing voters.
 

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But I thought the DA were always supposed to be liberals.

Yes, looking at the history they trace back to liberal parties and are members of liberal party organisations.

Now identity politics that is something else, but both sides play at identity politics.
Classical liberalism vs. what "liberal" has come to mean today.
 

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Just to be a viable opposition they need a decent proportion of black voters. The question is how to get those votes without alienating the existing voters.
It's not going to happen with Zille in charge. The guy in parliament who delivers sick burns to the ANC and EFF would probably make a far better figure head for the party than Zille.
 

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Just to be a viable opposition they need a decent proportion of black voters. The question is how to get those votes without alienating the existing voters.
Unless the people in general start to support self determination seems a better analysis, without self determination (for all of the most major ethnic groups) the FF+ has no reason to exist. They simply started as a Afrikaner party because that group had the most interest..... the more "black government" screws up the more people will realize the "rainbow nation" will never actually materialize. The coup de graz of course will be strong lasting ties between the FF+, IFP and perhaps COPE.
 

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Unless the people in general start to support self determination seems a better analysis, without self determination (for all of the most major ethnic groups) the FF+ has no reason to exist. They simply started as a Afrikaner party because that group had the most interest..... the more "black government" screws up the more people will realize the "rainbow nation" will never actually materialize. The coup de graz of course will be strong lasting ties between the FF+, IFP and perhaps COPE.
If you want black people to trust a party that is exclusively white because a nonracial society then you really need to have a hard look at yourself. There is no way DA is getting 20% next elections if they force Mmusi to resign and go to Harvard or Hopkins .

EFF will take over the official opposition seat and that’s when you will miss Mmusi because no one in parliament will care what the DA and FF+ will be saying.
As it stands their voice is stronger because they can’t just be dismissed as a racist party.
Again if you believe an all white DA with 10-15% will make a difference then you are in for a huge shock.
 

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Who do you guys think would be the next leader if they get rid of Maimane?
 

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For the anti Mmusi faction the problem is much bigger than a few lost votes, it is the direction they feel Maimane is driving the DA towards, they don't like it, Maimane is also on record saying his detractors within the party wants the old DA back.

To me it looks like the fight for the soul of the DA is on, looking at the mess they created trying to get rid of De lille, I don't see them getting too worried about the damage they are going to cause to the party. Looks like the ANC is again going to be strengthened without them lifting a finger.
The thing is you will never rule South Africa if you believe the country should do away with AA. What you need as better version of AA that meets somewhere in the middle with the ANC version.
 

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The thing is you will never rule South Africa if you believe the country should do away with AA. What you need as better version of AA that meets somewhere in the middle with the ANC version.
I have a feeling the anti Mmusi faction are settling well and truly to be an opposition for life, what amazes me is that it was the path the old DA was on before the transformation started, now they want the old DA back, it boggles the mind.
 

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If you want black people to trust a party that is exclusively white because a nonracial society then you really need to have a hard look at yourself. There is no way DA is getting 20% next elections if they force Mmusi to resign and go to Harvard or Hopkins .

EFF will take over the official opposition seat and that’s when you will miss Mmusi because no one in parliament will care what the DA and FF+ will be saying.
As it stands their voice is stronger because they can’t just be dismissed as a racist party.
Again if you believe an all white DA with 10-15% will make a difference then you are in for a huge shock.
It's not what I want or not want, it's simply how it is.

Also I never said the common voter was intelligent enough to vote correctly.

And honestly half of what you said makes no sense, proper grammar matters you know.
 

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If you want black people to trust a party that is exclusively white because a nonracial society then you really need to have a hard look at yourself
eh?!? The DA is more diverse in terms of race than any of the other two big parties, EFF and ANC are essentially 100% black, the DA is nowhere near 100% white

they can’t just be dismissed as a racist party
:ROFL: the EFF can't be dismissed as racist? is that before or after they "cut the throat of our whiteness"? ... direct quote by Malema in case you somehow live under a rock.
 

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The DA has a sizeable % of the Coloured vote in the WC. If they ever lose that, then they will really be in trouble.
 

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The DA has a sizeable % of the Coloured vote in the WC. If they ever lose that, then they will really be in trouble.
Maybe it's time for a coloured to lead the DA? Of course only if that is fine with DA's non racial policies.
 
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Maybe it's time for a coloured to lead the DA? Off course only if that is fine with DA's non racial policies.
Wilmot James would've been ideal candidate to succeed Zille, but I wonder if he'd have survived parly with EFF in it.
 

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Helen Zille's time has come and gone - Athol Trollip

..In what seemed like a veiled attack on his contender Zille, Trollip said race-baiting was not only counterproductive "it's a terminal affliction for political parties".

"Ill-discipline and personal attacks cannot be countenanced and those guilty of this must be held to account. Race-baiting in a country as diverse as ours and with our tragic legacy is not only counterproductive, it’s a terminal affliction for political parties."
 

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Nooooo really? George has corruption problems? YOU THINK?

NOW will you DA blowhards start to believe me that your saintly DA are not so farking saintly as they make out?
 
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