The DA is in total crisis.

Do the DA need a new leader?

  • Yes

    Votes: 101 81.5%
  • No

    Votes: 23 18.5%

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Jopie Fourie

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The DA should die. It is a useless party meaning or contributing nothing else but racial divide.
 

thechamp

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Herman Mashaba, whose administration in Johannesburg is facing serious allegations of corruption and who, we are told, is being investigated by the DA for racially abusing a colleague,
Anyone heard anything about this?
 

thechamp

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Is it true, as we are told, that Mr Mashaba invited Julius Malema to his private birthday party and that they laughed and danced, arm in arm, late into the night?
I see nothing wrong with people from opposing parties dancing the night away.
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Jopie Fourie

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As for the pole, no, the DA does not need a new leader. The party needs to be disbanded and closed down.
 

thechamp

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As for the pole, no, the DA does not need a new leader. The party needs to be disbanded and closed down.
But the Freedom Front was given a second chance to renew after Mulder, just look at them now, why can't we give DA a second chance?
 

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Melanie Verwoerd: My f*k, DA!

Despite Maimane's insistence after the elections that he would be safe in his position as leader of the DA until 2021, it was clear as daylight that his days were numbered. The blue hyenas quickly started circling, writes Melanie Verwoerd.
Every now and then in politics all you can do is throw your hands up in the air. Remember the reaction of Marelize's mum after her daughter cycled into the rugby posts? Well, that is how I felt this week about all the DA's shenanigans.

And I'm not the only one who feels that way. After I sent Helen Zille's announcement that she would contest the position of DA federal chairperson to a WhatsApp group of asset managers and bankers, I got numerous exasperated texts back: "I give up!", "Watch their support fall some more", "To be fair, it can't be much worse than it already is" and "DA is in such a mess." Some sent emoticons swearing or laughing out loud.

What should concern the DA is that most of these reactions came from people who would have supported and donated money towards it in the past. It is extraordinary that a party that was given opportunities galore on an ANC plate, could self destruct to the extent that it has.

If the DA had done nothing but turn up in Parliament for Jacob Zuma's last five years, they should have been able to increase their support significantly. The ANC had made such a mess, infuriated voters so much and had so many internal problems, that the DA should have been able to sit back and rake in the votes.

But no! Helen Zille had to tweet ... and not apologise, and then tweet some more … and then not apologise and then tweet some more. They took on Patricia de Lille. To quote Julia Roberts in Pretty Women: "BIG mistake."

They messed up the water issue in Cape Town and made a spectacular blunder in Schweizer-Reneke … all whilst Mmusi Maimane was driving around in his Steinhoff sponsored Fortuner. (Why, oh why?)

Unsurprisingly, when it came round to the elections, the DA was punished by voters. In Gauteng and the Western Cape, many split their votes and voted for Cyril Ramaphosa nationally. In the inland provinces in particular, the DA lost a huge amount of support to the FF+.

This was no surprise, since Afrikaans voters were no longer impressed by the appeal to unite the opposition against the ANC. They mostly have no objections to Ramaphosa and therefore went back to a party that they felt would look after their interests better.


Despite Maimane's insistence after the elections that he would be safe in his position as leader of the DA until 2021, it was clear as daylight that his days were numbered. The blue hyenas quickly started circling and an announcement of some position at Harvard or the IRR (take your pick) seems imminent. (How sweet it must be for De Lille watching all of this from her ministerial office.)

Of course it is not obvious who the successor would be. There seems to be concerns around Solly Msimanga, and the way Lindiwe Mazibuko as well as Gwen Ngwenya have been worked out of the party. John Steenhuisen – who is undoubtedly a very competent politician – is often mentioned as a potential candidate.

However, if the DA decides to go with Steenhuisen and given that all the nominees for the position of federal chairperson are white, it would be very hard to argue that the DA is a party for all South Africans. If they elect another white leader, they would almost certainly have to accept that they are a party representing only minorities. It would make the whole idea of them becoming the majority party at some stage in the future, or even a serious coalition partner, laughable.

ANALYSIS | Seeds of DA discontent were sown in 2015

It is significant that, according to newspaper reports, former party leader Tony Leon and former party strategist Ryan Coetzee have intervened in the leadership drama. Apparently they are pressuring the DA leadership to hold an early elective conference and have asked Maimane not to make himself available for re-election.

The question is whether a new federal chair and leader would actually solve the DA's internal problems. I doubt it.

At the IEC election centre in May, Maimane said of the ANC: "It has put a new driver in the same old, broken bus." Given the gigantic mess that his party is in, I can't help but think that these words would be equally, if not more applicable to the DA.

- Melanie Verwoerd is a former ANC MP and South African Ambassador to Ireland.
 

ForceFate

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As for the pole, no, the DA does not need a new leader. The party needs to be disbanded and closed down.
But why must they disband? I, as the citizen of this country, cannot envision the left benches without the DA. I'm not fond of the FF+ but I fully understand they represent part of our society. Why can't DA be afforded that?
 

supersunbird

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But the Freedom Front was given a second chance to renew after Mulder, just look at them now, why can't we give DA a second chance?
But why must they disband? I, as the citizen of this country, cannot envision the left benches without the DA. I'm not fond of the FF+ but I fully understand they represent part of our society. Why can't DA be afforded that?
Don't know why you bother with someones whose brain has been disbanded and closed down.
 

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Been predicting this for a while now. The DA has always been a party about "we are not the ANC", and their growth strategy was to unite all the people who hate the ANC under their banner no matter how different the political views of all those disparate voters where. Now we are seeing the internal cracks in the party appear as they fracture along policy and race lines. It was inevitable once they reached a certain size and had to start seriously trying to woo the black vote of SA via a black more socialist leader as that would inevitably alienate the core base (minorities).

Honestly, if I where them I would work on a more realistic strategy of being the king maker of an alliance that can take on the ANC and not believe they will ever get to 50% of the vote on their own. You never want the EFF as a partner and realistically they need to actually pick a policy line and stick to it. If the ANC does split forming and honest vs dishonest ANC faction the DA could definitely work with the more honest ANC faction, but that is seeming increasingly unlikely.

However, if the DA brands itself more firmly as the liberal minority party, and creates closer ties with the FF+ as the more right of centre minority party, and then splits allowing the formation of a decent centrist black centered party that they work well with you could get a 3 team co-coalition going that has a hope of actually attracting enough votes to take on the ANC one day.
 

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Looks like the DA very well on course to lose people like Mashaba by kowtowing to right-wing ideologies of the IRR... Why is it so difficult for the entire 'leadership' of the DA to tell the IRR to fvuck off?
 

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Looks like the DA very well on course to lose people like Mashaba by kowtowing to right-wing ideologies of the IRR... Why is it so difficult for the entire 'leadership' of the DA to tell the IRR to fvuck off?
If Mashaba thinks promoting property rights, free market economics, free speech and non racialism is now considered 'far right wing', then it will be no loss for the DA.
 
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Sinbad

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If Mashaba thinks promoting property rights, free market economics, free speech and non racialism is now considered 'far right wing', then it will be no loss too the DA.
They are far right wing, if you consider the ruling party to be the center.
 

thechamp

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Looks like the DA very well on course to lose people like Mashaba by kowtowing to right-wing ideologies of the IRR... Why is it so difficult for the entire 'leadership' of the DA to tell the IRR to fvuck off?
We saw them in the Patricia saga, once they get into the self destruction mode nothing else matters, what troubles me is the possibility of the ANC taking back the Joburg metro in the next local elections.

They are going to drag everyone down with them in this fight, the plus for the the Zille faction is that they win if DA loses Joburg, that is the closest thing that resembles Maimane's power base.
 

thechamp

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If Mashaba thinks promoting property rights, free market economics, free speech and non racialism is now considered 'far right wing', then it will be no loss too the DA.
They are going to lose Joburg along with him, the guy has become a legend i a very short space of time he has been running the city, gaining the respect of opposition parties, even if some, like the ANC would be too proud to admit that he is doing a good job.
 

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They are going to lose Joburg along with him, the guy has become a legend i a very short space of time he has been running the city, gaining the respect of opposition parties, even if some, like the ANC would be too proud to admit that he is doing a good job.
Yes, a legend for people like you who supports race-based policies. Many people doesn't support that, which is very clear from recent by-elections.

You are blind if you can't see the decline in the DA support.
 
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