The DA is in total crisis.

Do the DA need a new leader?

  • Yes

    Votes: 148 66.4%
  • No

    Votes: 41 18.4%
  • MMusi saw this poll and resigned.

    Votes: 8 3.6%
  • Epstein didn't kill himself.

    Votes: 28 12.6%
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    Votes: 10 4.5%

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TheChamp

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Agreed. Full compliance and disclosure by all parties are required. On the ground though it is evident that the EFF has got a lot of money to burn.
That would imply that parties who are able to hide their ill gotten gains better are allowed to get away with murder, all parties should declare, and all parties who don't should be made to account, no holy cows.

The fact that the DA is only going after the EFF shows that its not a principled stance they have against non compliance but they are just on a politicking mission, which is of course not entirely a bad thing, as long as they understand they are not fooling everyone.
 
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TheChamp

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Do you see the Freedom Front spending money?
That's so neither here nor there, the act does not say only parties who flaunt their money should declare, everyone must declare, the EFF hasn't and the Freedom Front has not, as well as many other parties, if the DA were principled they would demand and explanation for all the parties that did not declare, but why do that if they are no threat to you or are future allies you don't want to annoy?

Politics 101.
 
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That would imply that parties who are able to hide their ill gotten gains better are allowed to get away with murder, all parties should declare, no holy cows.

The fact that the DA is only going after the EFF shows that its not a principled stance they have against non compliance but they are just on a politicking mission, which is of course not entirely a bad thing, as long as they understand they are fooling everyone.

It definitely does seem like the new DA leadership took a decision to not pick fights with the VF+. Under Maimane's leadership, a lot of them used to critique the VF+ including Steenhuisen who called them "extreme" in the 2019 Presidential campaign.

Apart from Schreiber's go at the VF+ recently, they act as though the VF+ does not exist.
 

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That would imply that parties who are able to hide their ill gotten gains better are allowed to get away with murder, all parties should declare, and all parties who don't should be made to account, no holy cows.

The fact that the DA is only going after the EFF shows that its not a principled stance they have against non compliance but they are just on a politicking mission, which is of course not entirely a bad thing, as long as they understand they are not fooling everyone.
Shame. OK. Don't break a leg when you get of that high horse.
 

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As unofficial rep on the forum, I can tell you that we don't get money. All the posters that you see are on homemade papyrus and using traditional Babylonian techniques. This is done only because our charismatic leader Marais makes us feel alive with possibilities.
Have you supplanted Marais as a leader? Thought you're still on the default side!
 

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Folks in our area that have volunteered their time daily to help do cleanups, put pressure on municipality for service delivery, do patrols at night, (to name but a few) for several years decided to run for the VF this year.

They have become so disillusioned with the DA councilors they have to work with that it's come to this.
It's an extremely easy change of vote for us as we've known these people for years and their attitude and transparency is what we need.
Hopeful that the word gets around as they only decided to run very recently.

If so, then the DA's about to lose a big stronghold in the southern cape.
 

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This is worth GHL responding to as it seems to be a common DA critique. He can help shed unsavory perceptions of the party by actually pointing to work the DA has done to help the poor as it has a bad reputation when it comes to helping the poor.



The DA of today is not the DA that was operating 10 years ago. Hell, the country today is not the same as it was 10 years ago.

The DA are already highlighting their work in poor communities. They're just going for low hanging political point earning where they can. All parties are doing this.

Also, taking the political temperature/view of a party from Twitter is like sticking your hand in an oven and then going outside into the snow and saying "it sure is hot today".
 

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Folks in our area that have volunteered their time daily to help do cleanups, put pressure on municipality for service delivery, do patrols at night, (to name but a few) for several years decided to run for the VF this year.

They have become so disillusioned with the DA councilors they have to work with that it's come to this.
It's an extremely easy change of vote for us as we've known these people for years and their attitude and transparency is what we need.
Hopeful that the word gets around as they only decided to run very recently.

If so, then the DA's about to lose a big stronghold in the southern cape.
In our case, the previous DA counsellor was doing well considering the circumstances. She quit. Now, the new councillor is doing a good job of campaigning for opposition parties.
 

zolly

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In our case, the previous DA counsellor was doing well considering the circumstances. She quit. Now, the new councillor is doing a good job of campaigning for opposition parties.

You might want to let someone higher up the food chain know that the current person is kak.
 

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That's so neither here nor there, the act does not say only parties who flaunt their money should declare, everyone must declare, the EFF hasn't and the Freedom Front has not, as well as many other parties, if the DA were principled they would demand and explanation for all the parties that did not declare, but why do that if they are no threat to you or are future allies you don't want to annoy?

Politics 101.
Did the IEC actually confirm that the FF didn't submit anything or is it only that they didn't receive any donations above R100k?

From what I can see the EFF are the only moderately big party who actively refuses to disclose funding going by some of their comments in the articles below.

 

TheChamp

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Did the IEC actually confirm that the FF didn't submit anything or is it only that they didn't receive any donations above R100k?

From what I can see the EFF are the only moderately big party who actively refuses to disclose funding going by some of their comments in the articles below.

Actually the only thing we know is that only 3 parties declared, ANC, DA and ActionSA, If the assumption is that the EFF has not declared since it's not part of the three then the same should apply to all the other parties, including the Freedom Front, unless there is information indicating otherwise.

I haven't had time to dig and find out more about the other parties and the media has been conveniently not caring to find out from the IEC what is happening with the other parties.

The EFF has said they did not declare because they have nothing to declare, I have not heard anything from the Freedom Front, IFP and the others. According to my understanding that fact that you have nothing to declare doesn't mean you an just ignore the obligation, you still have to declare that you have nothing to declare.

I am yet to find out if any of the parties declared that they did not receive anything over R100k.
 

TheChamp

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Here's one very vague article from the IEC


Which parties made declarations?

Two represented political parties and one unrepresented political party made declarations of qualifying direct donations. These are the African National Congress (ANC), the Democratic Alliance (DA) and ActionSA. The ANC and the DA declared individual donations received of R10 720 000.00 (ten million seven hundred and twenty thousand rands) and R15 983 751.48 (fifteen million nine hundred and eighty-three thousand, seven hundred and fifty-one rands forty-eight cents), respectively. ActionSA declared total direct donations amounting to R 3 305 090.26 (three million three hundred and five thousand and ninety rands twenty-six cents).

How was compliance encouraged?

As part of the Commission’s efforts to foster compliance with the Act, all registered political parties, both represented and unrepresented, were sent reminders to submit their declarations before the due date of 31 July 2021. Although not all political parties responded, a significant number of them, especially among the represented parties, reported in writing that they did not receive qualifying donations in the reporting period. Qualifying donations being those above the threshold amount of R100 000.

I just don't understand why it seems so difficult to just name the parties.
 
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