The DA is in total crisis.

Do the DA need a new leader?

  • Yes

    Votes: 188 55.6%

  • No

    Votes: 64 18.9%

  • MMusi saw this poll and resigned.

    Votes: 17 5.0%

  • Epstein didn't kill himself.

    Votes: 69 20.4%

  • Please change the thread title

    Votes: 41 12.1%
  • Total voters
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theratman said:
It's damage control, they'd be lambasted if they kept silent on it. Don't really see much other choice.
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What he has done is good enough because he has not been silent on the matter, suspending Fritz and calling on the victims to come forward and offering them the support they need is all that's needed.

I feel like he has done everything that is expected of him, anything else is just politicking.
 
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PrimeSteak said:
Don't know, probably cause he's the Premier of the WC Gov and Fritz is a subordinate in that gov? And probably the opposition parties like GOOD (with insufferable Herron), etc. will definitely use this to their advantage if Winde (and by extension, the DA) didn't do anything...

So yeah, complicated. But it's nice that Winde is actually trying to do something
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What the opposition parties are doing is just cheap politics, since they now know about the allegations they must go lay charges against Fritz if they feel so strongly about it, they are pretty much in the same position as Winde as far as all of this is concerned.
 
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ForceFate said:
This cadre is doing what he was brought in to do.
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Yes, the Cadre has also been launching an all out attack on Mashaba, including for things Mashaba has been saying since he was in the DA which the cadre never had an issue with then.

It looks like he's been advised to help them contain Action SA.
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
Yes, the Cadre has also been launching an all out attack on Mashaba, including for things Mashaba has been saying since he was in the DA which the cadre never had an issue with then.

It looks like he's been advised to help them contain Action SA.
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I like the cadre though. He does make sensible arguments when let off the leash.
 
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ForceFate said:
I like the cadre though. He does make sensible arguments when let off the leash.
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Yes, but he's now even more heavily invested in the DA leadership than he was before as his girlfriend is Head of Policy so his defences recently have been more passionate
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
Van Onselen is such a tool. He'd have been defending Mashaba had he still been part of the DA. I won't be surprised if he frequents this thread.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488132814641975297
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What xenophobia? Mashaba has been clear from the start he has nothing against LEGAL immigration but against ILLEGAL immigration and wants stronger border control (the same stance I have tbh).

And why the attacks on Baloyi? To clarify, I've seen the Sunday Times article about DA is "toxic", bla bla.

The question I have is why write this, but not too long after you write this? If you did think the DA is "toxic" and shite, why say you had an amazing 14 years there? Or was it window dressing?

Keep in mind, I got nothing against Baloyi. I even follow him on the bird app (Twitter). But the full-blown attacks on him (Baloyi) is unfair honestly...
 
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PrimeSteak said:
Keep in mind, I got nothing against the guy. I even follow him on the bird app (Twitter). But the full-blown attacks on Baloyi is unfair honestly...
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Gareth is too heavily invested in the DA and as a Journalist he often struggled to hide his pro-DA views which led to suspicions he was a DA plant in the media.

He makes some decent arguments at times as @ForceFate pointed out but he's become extremely bad at hiding his biases especially since his girlfriend was made Head of Policy again.

Also, saw Ryan Coetzee was also on the attack against Action SA. They are definitely attacking Action SA intentionally to try and contain them. This was definitely planned.
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
as a Journalist he often struggled to hide his pro-DA views which led to suspicions he was a DA plant in the media.
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Like many Journos in SA struggle to hide their anti-DA views, yet I don't immediately suspect them of being ANC/EFF plants in the media?
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since his girlfriend was made Head of Policy again.
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Wait, his girlfriend is Ngwenya? Didn't know that...
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Also, saw Ryan Coetzee was also on the attack against Action SA.
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Who?
 
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PrimeSteak said:
Like many Journos in SA struggle to hide their anti-DA views, yet I don't immediately suspect them of being ANC/EFF plants in the media?
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Many are anti-DA and also anti- ANC and EFF but few make it obvious who they support as do Gareth (pro DA) and Jamie Mighti (pro EFF).

Yes, his girlfriend is Ngwenya.

Ryan Coetzee was formerly CEO of the DA and was Chief Advisor to Zille. He is still a strong advisor and influence to the party.
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
Van Onselen's obsession with Bongani continues. I'd be very suprised if the propaganda he's planting was not ordered by his masters.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488843511805972482
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I still don't agree with the full-on assault of VO on Baloyi but I do agree with this question he asks:

If Baloyi ever had a problem with DA policy, it would be nice if he elaborated on his decade-long silence, while he quietly indulged in the perks of executive mayorship​

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Why didn't he say anything then? Why didn't he leave alongside Maimane when he and many of his supporters left, if he didn't agree with where DA and its policy would go?

And to add to the questions above, why write this, but not too long after you write this? Doesn't make much sense.

Anyway, I'm curious to see what ActionSA is going to do in 2024 on a national and provincial scale (especially Gauteng).
 
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I still don't agree with the full-on assault of VO on Baloyi but I do agree with this question he asks:



Why didn't he say anything then? Why didn't he leave alongside Maimane when he and many of his supporters left, if he didn't agree with where DA and its policy would go?

And to add to the questions above, why write this, but not too long after you write this? Doesn't make much sense.

Anyway, I'm curious to see what ActionSA is going to do in 2024 on a national and provincial scale (especially Gauteng).
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Baloyi cryptically hinted he was unhappy with the DA for a few years now so his exit really came as no surprise to those that follow politics.

He most likely stayed on to see out his term and an equal defence can be put for him that he did the professional thing and left at the end of his team instead of just running away.

Van Onselen needs to answer why he never had a problem with Herman Mashaba's "xenophobia" when Mashaba was Joburg mayor and arguably more hardline than he is now but now he suddenly does.

There is definitely an agreement between VO and his bosses in the DA.
 
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