The DA is in total crisis.

[TheChamp]

Where to for the DA, and SA? - OPINION | Politicsweb

Helen Zille explains the best and worst case scenarios she set out at the recent BizNews conference

www.politicsweb.co.za

Another incisive article from Aunty Helen.

These paragraphs are definitely worth thinking about -- the largely clueless electoral analysts who have never run a coalition vs. somebody who has had vast experience of running a coalition.

The best way to rid yourself of all the challenges of a coalition government is to grow your own party and win outright, instead of depending on other parties, just a thought.

Maybe she must reconsider her stance of keeping the DA a 20% party.

 

[R13...]

The best way to rid yourself of all the challenges of a coalition government is to grow your own party and win outright, instead of depending on other parties, just a thought.

Maybe she must reconsider her stance of keeping the DA a 20% party.

The DA's value proposition seems to be, the other guys are a lot worse so pick us. Low energy approaches as Trump might say.

 

[TheChamp]

The only way to prevent this, as other countries with proportional representation systems have learnt, is to introduce a reasonable minimum threshold that must be reached in order to win a seat in a Council or Parliament.

I have an even better solution, winner takes all, no opposition parties, no coalition governments.

 

[surface]

The best way to rid yourself of all the challenges of a coalition government is to grow your own party and win outright, instead of depending on other parties, just a thought.

Maybe she must reconsider her stance of keeping the DA a 20% party.

Bedrock of non-racial democrats - has she visited DA supporters here?

The best case scenario would be a strong DA (with over 20% of the votes) as the bedrock of a coalition of non-racial democrats building a new majority to govern South Africa.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Where to for the DA, and SA? - OPINION | Politicsweb

Helen Zille explains the best and worst case scenarios she set out at the recent BizNews conference

www.politicsweb.co.za

Another incisive article from Aunty Helen.

These paragraphs are definitely worth thinking about -- the largely clueless electoral analysts who have never run a coalition vs. somebody who has had vast experience of running a coalition.

The political landscape of Helen running a coalition as compared to what it is today is totally different and requires totally different thinking.

I've often said that Helen was a good politician for a specific time but her politics is now outdated and has become a hindrance to the DA. It was similar to Mandela. His politics was good for that time but is now outdated and would not work today.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Well, it is the first time I've posted in this thread for a long time lol (thought it was dead until I saw it in latest posts).

Where to for the DA, and SA? - OPINION | Politicsweb

Helen Zille explains the best and worst case scenarios she set out at the recent BizNews conference

www.politicsweb.co.za

Another incisive article from Aunty Helen.

These paragraphs are definitely worth thinking about -- the largely clueless electoral analysts who have never run a coalition vs. somebody who has had vast experience of running a coalition.

The only way to prevent this, as other countries with proportional representation systems have learnt, is to introduce a reasonable minimum threshold that must be reached in order to win a seat in a Council or Parliament.

The problem is what should the threshold be? 2%, 5%?

I get what Aunty Helen is trying to say, but it does seem to play into "don't vote other opposition, vote DA".

 

[JuliusSeizure]

On another note, I notice that even DA supporters and apologists are also keeping this thread alive so the regular snowflakes who often barge in to this thread to try and silence critics of the DA and get the thread closed or deflect can't accuse critics of the DA for keeping it alive.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Well, it is the first time I've posted in this thread for a long time lol (thought it was dead until I saw it in latest posts).


The problem is what should the threshold be? 2%, 5%?

I get what Aunty Helen is trying to say, but it does seem to play into "don't vote other opposition, vote DA".

In the German parliament which uses a mix of constituency and party lists, it is 5% which seems reasonable to me.

 

[PrimeSteak]

On another note, I notice that even DA supporters and apologists are also keeping this thread alive so the regular snowflakes who often barge in to this thread to try and silence critics of the DA and get the thread closed or deflect can't accuse critics of the DA for keeping it alive.

Should I plug the new thread again?

 

[PrimeSteak]

In the German parliament which uses a mix of constituency and party lists, it is 5% which seems reasonable to me.

Not really, in SA's case, it would literally disqualify everyone except ANC, DA, EFF

2019 South African general election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2% would be more reasonable.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Should I plug the new thread again?

I'll do it again anyway:

The SA Politics Thread

Yoh, it's cold outside the ANC.

mybroadband.co.za

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

The political landscape of Helen running a coalition as compared to what it is today is totally different and requires totally different thinking.

I've often said that Helen was a good politician for a specific time but her politics is now outdated and has become a hindrance to the DA. It was similar to Mandela. His politics was good for that time but is now outdated and would not work today.

Nope. The problem has actually become worse since Zille's 2006 CoCT coalition. There are many, many more parties now than there was in 2006. Regardless her general point stands than many of these smaller parties have very narrow interests.

 

[TheChamp]

Nope. The problem has actually become worse since Zille's 2006 CoCT coalition. There are many, many more parties now than there was in 2006. Regardless her general point stands than many of these smaller parties have very narrow interests.

Narrow interest being anything that is not the DA's position? The trouble with the DA and its trouble with coalition governments is simple, they don't understand that the very reason there are coalition goverments is that no one was good enough to get a majority.

As soon as they grasp the simple fact that they need the smaller parties to govern they will come alright.

 

[dj2381]

On another note, I notice that even DA supporters and apologists are also keeping this thread alive so the regular snowflakes who often barge in to this thread to try and silence critics of the DA and get the thread closed or deflect can't accuse critics of the DA for keeping it alive.

Maybe they want to keep you out of the other thread?

 

[Howdy]

The political landscape of Helen running a coalition as compared to what it is today is totally different and requires totally different thinking.

I've often said that Helen was a good politician for a specific time but her politics is now outdated and has become a hindrance to the DA. It was similar to Mandela. His politics was good for that time but is now outdated and would not work today.

Agree. Voters are happy to wade in sewage as long as they get that grant or kickback from a tender. Personal accountability and pride is a thing of the past. ZA101

 

[Howdy]

On another note, I notice that even DA supporters and apologists are also keeping this thread alive so the regular snowflakes who often barge in to this thread to try and silence critics of the DA and get the thread closed or deflect can't accuse critics of the DA for keeping it alive.

Chris posts, @TheChamp. @R13... , @TheChamp, @surface and you barge in?

Okayyyyyyyyyy ....

 

[TheChamp]

Agree. Voters are happy to wade in sewage as long as they get that grant or kickback from a tender. Personal accountability and pride is a thing of the past. ZA101

Talking about wading in sewage, where we govern...

WATCH: Residents protest against sewage spills, blockages in Khayelitsha

Site B residents, in Khayelitsha, took to the streets on Monday and barricaded roads, over what they said was the City's failure to fix the ongoing sewer overflows and blockages in the area.

www.iol.co.za

 

[Howdy]

Talking about wading in sewage, where we govern...

WATCH: Residents protest against sewage spills, blockages in Khayelitsha

Site B residents, in Khayelitsha, took to the streets on Monday and barricaded roads, over what they said was the City's failure to fix the ongoing sewer overflows and blockages in the area.

www.iol.co.za

Oh great! How many votes did you get?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Talking about wading in sewage, where we govern...

WATCH: Residents protest against sewage spills, blockages in Khayelitsha

Site B residents, in Khayelitsha, took to the streets on Monday and barricaded roads, over what they said was the City's failure to fix the ongoing sewer overflows and blockages in the area.

www.iol.co.za

Maybe they should learn to vote DA...

 

[dualmeister]

Say what you will about the DA but if you have been to Gauteng recently you will really appreciate the Cape. Won't fall into a pothole.