The DA is in total crisis.

[surface]

So, who is the black leader left in the non-racial DA now? Ntuli next?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

So, who is the black leader left in the non-racial DA now?

Well Phumzile wasn't a leader, but the one that comes to mind is: https://twitter.com/GwenNgwenya?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Also, two DA black mayors were elected in a municipality in the Free State and in Nelson Mandela this week.

 

[Mrcricket]

Ntuli next?

Ntuli does not have a bright future but the black conservatives and "classical liberals" have a bright future like Ngwenya. I get the impression that they might be setting up Ngwenya as a potential successor to JS but she does not have the charisma to cut it as a leader. Maybe things will change in future.

There will always be black reps in the DA. People need jobs and they will attract people who did not make the cut in the ANC and there is a growing black conservative community as well who may opt to align with them.

If Mashaba plays his cards right, he can become the home of the growing black conservative/libertarian community.

 

[Excalibur]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335265166166949888

 

[Mrcricket]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335265166166949888

I don't know much about Zak but after doing some research on him, I found he was the leader of an LGBT group so he may well have views which the DA's core electorate don't exactly like.

He could opt to be like Natasha Mazzone and hide those. Mazzone though did once err when she congratulated Kamala Harris on her election and DA supporters stormed the thread on Twitter, writing pro-Trump comments.

 

[rietrot]

I don't know much about Zak but after doing some research on him, I found he was the leader of an LGBT group so he may well have views which the DA's core electorate don't exactly like.

He could opt to be like Natasha Mazzone and hide those. Mazzone though did once err when she congratulated Kamala Harris on her election and DA supporters stormed the thread on Twitter, writing pro-Trump comments.

You have to be a communist if you where in a LGBT group?

 

[Tokolotshe]

You have to be a communist if you where in a LGBT group?

Somebody is confusing himself because his initial fundamental analysis is all wrong. dare we tell him?

 

[Mrcricket]

You have to be a communist if you where in a LGBT group?

No, but most LGBT groups (at least in SA) have strong left-wing leanings which won't be well received by the DA's core electorate, for instance, most are feminists. Mazzone has got some slack from the core electorate in the past for expressing her feminist views.

 

[winner]

To think DA runs a bigger circus than EFFA currently . I’m just curious here, if DA underperforms in 2021 elections, are they firing JS? Anyway Phumzile should have learnt from Mashaba and abandoned that Dromedaries before it’s too late. Let her face the music now

 

[TheChamp]

To think DA runs a bigger circus than EFFA currently . I’m just curious here, if DA underperforms in 2021 elections, are they firing JS? Anyway Phumzile should have learnt from Mashaba and abandoned that Dromedaries before it’s too late. Let her face the music now

I think it will still be Maimane's fault in 2021, Zille and Steenhuisen will still be sorting out the mess he left behind.

 

[Mrcricket]

I’m just curious here, if DA underperforms in 2021 elections, are they firing JS?

They can't get rid of JS as easily, if they do, it will have to be on good terms. JS is popular among the "classical liberals" so if they get rid of him on bad terms, it could lead to members and even potentially funders walking away. It could also lead to further splits among the white electorate which will be very bad for the party.

JS does seem like a yes man to the IRR and HZ so I'm pretty sure they will be able to negotiate something quietly behind closed doors if it does come to that. He also needs politics as he has nothing to fall back on so he will want to be involved in some capacity after his term ends. They might transfer him to the IRR.

 

[Mrcricket]

I think it will still be Maimane's fault in 2021

Yes, and they also say MM had nothing to do with the 2016 results. 2024 will be the real test. The VF+ will be further gains next year. JS knows this and is not taking them head on (as the DA did last year and failed). He is taking them on indirectly by doing things such as being more vocal on BEE, farm attacks etc.

 

[Mrcricket]

Also, two DA black mayors were elected in a municipality in the Free State and in Nelson Mandela this week.

Nqaba Banga was elected as Mayor in Nelson Mandela Bay. He seems like a decent enough guy, he walked away from the ANC when Zuma took over before switching to COPE and then DA. He did back Maimane previously.

Not sure who this Free State Mayor you are referring to is. Eric Motloung was elected as a speaker.

 

[rietrot]

No, but most LGBT groups (at least in SA) have strong left-wing leanings which won't be well received by the DA's core electorate, for instance, most are feminists. Mazzone has got some slack from the core electorate in the past for expressing her feminist views.

Again I'm missing the "C" for communist in the LGBTQ, and what kind of feminist are you referring to?

The real feminist that wants equal rights, or the 3rd wave feminist who is basically just a angry butch lesbian who hates men?


I'm myself not the biggest fan of conservatism just for the sake of conservatism, but you should probably understand what it means. It means to conservative things, ie. Keep stuff the same.
We've had equal rights for everyone(ideally, nevermind the contradictory BEE BS.)for the last 30 years enshrined in our constitution.
So that is the conservative view, the traditional liberal view, and the view of the core DA electorate.

 

[rietrot]

Ntuli does not have a bright future but the black conservatives and "classical liberals" have a bright future like Ngwenya. I get the impression that they might be setting up Ngwenya as a potential successor to JS but she does not have the charisma to cut it as a leader. Maybe things will change in future.

There will always be black reps in the DA. People need jobs and they will attract people who did not make the cut in the ANC and there is a growing black conservative community as well who may opt to align with them.

If Mashaba plays his cards right, he can become the home of the growing black conservative/libertarian community.

Here you use conservative somewhat currently when you link it up with classical liberals and libertarian.

Kinda ridiculous how far the progressives have pushed communism that the above makes sense.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

The first part of the video is about PvD. Too much Twitter, too little maturity.

 

[Mrcricket]

core DA electorate.

South Africa is quite a complex country, there are very few actual traditional liberals and this was a reason the DP performed poorly before it became the DA.

The DA's core electorate is mainly centre-right. Under Tony Leon, the DA was centre-right because he knew that he would have to go that way since the bulk of his voters would be the former National Party voters.

Renaldo Gouws (whom many people here don't like) is probably a good symbol of the views of the DA's core electorate and the vast majority of his following comes from that demographic.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Yes, and they also say MM had nothing to do with the 2016 results. 2024 will be the real test. The VF+ will be further gains next year. JS knows this and is not taking them head on (as the DA did last year and failed). He is taking them on indirectly by doing things such as being more vocal on BEE, farm attacks etc.

Not sure about that. I think VF+ supporters prefer the national brand of VF+ rather than its local variety - unless of course, the few VF+ ward councillors are doing a sterling job in their community. There are very few wards in SA where the VF+ can actually win (small town, predominantly Afrikaans) so I don't see the DA struggling next year (well, at least compared to the VF+).

 

[yebocan]

South Africa is quite a complex country, there are very few actual traditional liberals and this was a reason the DP performed poorly before it became the DA.

The DA's core electorate is mainly centre-right. Under Tony Leon, the DA was centre-right because he knew that he would have to go that way since the bulk of his voters would be the former National Party voters.

the DA has settled on the market they want to play in .... very short sighted, but that is the prevailing sentiment that has now solidified into policy ...around their decided trajectory. History will judge them, as it judges all irrelevances ... a footnote,

 

[Mrcricket]

There are very few wards in SA where the VF+ can actually win (small town, predominantly Afrikaans) so I don't see the DA struggling next year (well, at least compared to the VF+).

The VF+does a better job of echoing the frustrations of white conservatives, especially Afrikaners. It's much more to the point and populist.

There was also a demographic of voters who were warm to the VF+ last year but voted DA as they did not think the VF+ would perform well. DA most likely loses this demographic as well.

Plus, JS does not yet have the full respect of Afrikaner conservatives. The DA is unlikely to grow among this demographic, it's more about damage control for them now there and they know this, hence the sudden increase of Afrikaans usage in their propaganda.