The DA is in total crisis.

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

The VF+does a better job of echoing the frustrations of white conservatives, especially Afrikaners. It's much more to the point and populist.

There was also a demographic of voters who were warm to the VF+ last year but voted DA as they did not think the VF+ would perform well. DA most likely loses this demographic as well.

Plus, JS does not yet have the full respect of Afrikaner conservatives. The DA is unlikely to grow among this demographic, it's more about damage control for them now there and they know this, hence the sudden increase of Afrikaans usage in their propaganda.

Yes but the themes which animate FF+ voters e.g. land re-distribution. BEE/AA or language are all, without exception, national issues rather than local issues. I do accept, of course, that most voters do not make the distinction between the local and national, but it's hard for FF councillors to say to potential voters "we will fight affirmative action" on a local level because that is not possible.

 

[Mrcricket]

I do accept, of course, that most voters do not make the distinction between the local and national, but it's hard for FF councillors to say to potential voters "we will fight affirmative action" on a local level because that is not possible.

True, but apart from that, you have to consider that the DA's two other strongholds (Indians and coloreds) have been becoming apathetic to the party because of the impression that they are being used as voting fodder.

DA almost certainly will win Cape Town with a reduced majority, losing a couple of wards to Good and in more conservative areas, VF+ and Cape Exit.

If you look at the by election results in which they lost, some of these areas were also Indian and colored.

 

[BBSA]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1336892555586363392

 

[Mrcricket]

I know the right faction often has a go at Van Damme for making things public when she does not agree with the party but Gwen appears to have the same trait. She previously did so when she had a fallout with MM.

I actually agree with her here.

 

[TheChamp]

I agree with her, some people sometimes fall in the trap of opposing just for the sake of it, looks like that's the problem here.

 

[Tokolotshe]

I agree with her, some people sometimes fall in the trap of opposing just for the sake of it, looks like that's the problem here.

Maybe it's because of the height restriction.

 

[Johnatan56]

I agree with her, some people sometimes fall in the trap of opposing just for the sake of it, looks like that's the problem here.

I'd rather front line medical, elderly etc. Get treated first before people convicted of crime.

 

[mercurial]

So not only do we pay to keep those scumbags alive but they're getting vaccines before us? I'm in the wrong business...

 

[Mrcricket]

The bich should rather use official channels to air her disagreements.

Lol, she is a favourite of the right faction of the DA. She is one from the DA the VF+ will even like but maybe we will start to see another side to her soon.

 

[Mrcricket]

So not only do we pay to keep those scumbags alive but they're getting vaccines before us?

They are human beings at the end of the day and as Gwen said, they are much more prone to contracting the virus than us.

Their living conditions are not good at all actually so it's not like they are treated well by the state.

 

[Mrcricket]

I agree with her, some people sometimes fall in the trap of opposing just for the sake of it, looks like that's the problem here.

Yes, Steenhuisen is hardly even taken seriously outside the DA, he is just seen as a whiner. Honestly, it's worse than even the way MM was taken.

The only people that like him are people within the DA, that is how bad it is.

Honestly, MM, Zille and even Tony Leon had their flaws but they were at least liked by some people outside the DA.

 

[Johnatan56]

They are human beings at the end of the day and as Gwen said, they are much more prone to contracting the virus than us.

Their living conditions are not good at all actually so it's not like they are treated well by the state.

My argument in return would be who funds the vaccine. The taxpayers, these people in prisons are there because they did something against the law that's supposed to protect everyone, why should the government first give it to those who have gone against the social contract instead of everyone else.
Let me put it this way, my argument would be everyone else gets it first, and you can have family/friends help pay for yours in prison if you want to get it before everyone else.

I'm still flabbergasted that SAA gets billions in bailout, but SA can't even manage more than R280m in vaccines, I'm betting discovery will be able to secure more of them and get it to its scheme members before government will have even covered 1% of the population (that is if government doesn't do something crazy like seize them).

 

[sdrawk]

Basically, DA needs a Barack Obama type figure. Someone young, but charismatic who can galvanize the party (and perhaps the country) who would also appeal to those who are disappointed in the ANC and EFF ranks.

 

[Mrcricket]

Someone young, but charismatic who can galvanize the party (and perhaps the country) who would also appeal to those who are disappointed in the ANC and EFF ranks.

Simply not possible, at least anytime soon.

The DA's core electorate is more pro-Trump than Obama, not even Obama would be popular among them.

If they are looking for a black leader, someone like Larry Elder or Candace Owens would do far better than Obama, when MM first came through the ranks, some had hopes that he would be similar to Elder.

There is also a reason why so many of them are very fond of Thomas Sowell. I'm almost certain that they are more fond of Sowell than Obama.

 

[yebocan]

mmmm, does raise an interesting question......vaccine allocation.... there will be a valid arguments all around , which segments of society should get it first....ie densely populated areas informal settlements/townships should be to the top of the list....?

 

[TheChamp]

I'd rather front line medical, elderly etc. Get treated first before people convicted of crime.

I am sure front line medical staff will be amongst those.

 

[BBSA]

Lol, she is a favourite of the right faction of the DA. She is one from the DA the VF+ will even like but maybe we will start to see another side to her soon.

You just rambling, and do not address the point I was making. I would expect more from a journo

 

[sdrawk]

The DA's core electorate is more pro-Trump than Obama, not even Obama would be popular among them.

Then they might be a bit screwed. Sometimes I forget the DA's deep, dark Apartheid origins....

 

[Mrcricket]

Sometimes I forget the DA's deep, dark Apartheid origins....

Their history is a bit complex.

They did oppose Apartheid but not in the way they would like us to believe. They advocated desegregation but their stalwart Helen Suzman (whom they regularly boast about) is recorded to have said things about black people which they won't exactly want the public to hear including support for the view that black people should not vote.

You won't hear this at a Know Your DA campaign.

During Apartheid, they were also a very fringe movement which led to suggestions that Suzman was just in parliament as a puppet to show that the National Party had opposition. They only really became a political force to be reckoned with after the National Party started collapsing and they inherited the bulk of the voters.

 

[surface]

but their stalwart Helen Suzman (whom they regularly boast about) is recorded to have said things about black people which they won't exactly want the public to hear including support for the view that black people should not vote.

tbh, I find this difficult to believe about Ms Suzman. I thought she was the lone ranger among the coward racists of NP.