The end of medical aid as you know it in South Africa

Sinbad

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From what I understand is that you will not be able to get private medical treatment, in SA, if the NHI offers it. Regardless of the quality or availability of the treatment.

If, for example, you need chemo, and the NHI offers chemo, you will only be allowed to get treatment from a NHI provider.

You will also not be able to go directly to the specialist of you choice. You will have to be referred to a specialist that a NHI doctor decides you will see.

For all this you will be expected to pay another tax.

People that subscribe to medical schemes actually do a lot for the public health. These schemes are for profit organisations. Meaning that subscriptions support the system. There is no burden on the tax base for medical services, except for the very small percentage that SARS may pay out. They free up public health for those that use it. Add to this that many of the specialists that are funded by private subscriptions, do participate in public health at an extremely cheap rate for public health (taking into account that the person needs to be trained and gain experience in the field).

SA is not a socialist society. The tax base is extremely narrow and corruption / maladministration is so rife. Even in the USA with a huge tax base, little corruption and 6.1 million unemployed (QUOTE]Minor factual correction. Medical schemes are non profit.
 

VooDooC

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https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/opponents-of-nhi-are-against-transformation-ramaphosa-20190822

President Cyril Ramaphosa said some people opposed to the National Health Insurance (NHI) are opposed to transformation against the backdrop of massive inequality in the health sector.

"In South Africa, we are confronting severe inequality, where around R250 billion is spent on the 16% of the population who have access to private health care, while only R220 billion goes towards health care for the rest of the population," Ramaphosa said as he answered questions in the National Assembly on Thursday.
Jisses, we're not against transformation... we're against looting every damn cent you can get your grubby little hands on and this is exactly what's going to happen. You're NOT going to uplift the masses with this idea, you're just going to drag the rest of us down to the same sub par levels of health care.
 

Lupus

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https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/opponents-of-nhi-are-against-transformation-ramaphosa-20190822



Jisses, we're not against transformation... we're against looting every damn cent you can get your grubby little hands on and this is exactly what's going to happen. You're NOT going to uplift the masses with this idea, you're just going to drag the rest of us down to the same sub par levels of health care.
Who's fault is that CR? Let me see, it might begin with an A and end with a s at the far end.
 

VooDooC

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This part, this part is K*K funny

He said government has learned valuable lessons regarding the management of state owned enterprises and this will be applied to the NHI fund.
What I read "He said government has learned valuable lessons regarding the LOOTING of state owned enterprises and this will be applied to the NHI fund."
 

SaiyanZ

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My parents are retired and pay about R4500 per month for medical aid (Part of that R250billion spent of private care). How is government going to tax them so that they still get their paws on R4500 per month? My parents only pay a bit of income tax on interest earned on their savings. If income tax is upped by say 2%, my parents would then be paying around R500 per month instead of R4500.

In other words, government looks at the R250billion and thinks that they are going to get that money when there's no way to actually recoup anywhere close to that through additional taxes. In addition, my parents are currently paying for their own medical care and are not a burden on public hospitals or the working class. If NHI comes, they will be subsidized by the working class.
 

BBSA

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He also said the Government is subsidising people with medical aid via tax deductions. Which is of course BS, where does the Government get their money in the first place?
 

dualmeister

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He said government has learned valuable lessons regarding the management of state owned enterprises and this will be applied to the NHI fund.
I'm sure that they come up with this **** while smoking weed.
 

Rabobi

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Its a common theme with the ANC, equality through lowering every standard possible, instead of raising up the ones left behind
 

LPCPT

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Why fix something that is not broken?
Remember the story of the frog that gives the scorpion a ride across the river and then halfway the scorpion stings the frog. The frog dies and the scorpion drowns.

It's in their nature
 

BBSA

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The people in Venezuela is now equal, not sure that is the solution. Let's forget about equality and rather try to uplift the poor. The best way to do that is to grow the economy. These sosialistic plans sound good in principle, but usually just achieve chaos for everyone.
 

JayM

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The people in Venezuela is now equal,
Well most of them are, but a few smart ones bought USD before the collapse when they started to see the signs. I suspect they are much better off right now.
 
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