The gaming PC you can build for less than R13,000

charlieharper said:
Very interesting topic indeed.
From the bit of reading I have done, although it's a "legit" key, they all differ widely when it comes to the actual terms of use of the license, meaning the R100 keys are often more rather a grey product (ie meant for a different market), rather than an illegal product.

In the grand scheme of things, probably doesn't make much of a difference as a private home user - since I guess it would be really hard to enforce, but on black and white it's potentially breach of the licenses T&C's. and the distributors could probably get sued.
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Check the MSFT T&Cs license purchases are the sole responsibility of the person that bought and is using it, clearly states that in an audit you only have yourself to blame, the distis and partners don't get touched if they audit you. Home users just get their key blacklisted until they pay full price, notice how you need to enter a mail address when you activate, MSFT is continuously collecting telemetry, it's a revenue thing.
 
charlieharper said:
Wasn't complaining, just validating the article.
Without Windows a gaming pc is borderline useless for gaming.. it's not like the Linux gaming scene is strong enough yet to use that as a legit gaming "alternative" to Xbox and Playstation.
In which case, it would only make sense for them to have included the price of a legit copy of Windows.
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Steam deck runs on Linux, it's getting a lot better
 
Blankmastermind said:
Check the MSFT T&Cs license purchases are the sole responsibility of the person that bought and is using it, clearly states that in an audit you only have yourself to blame, the distis and partners don't get touched if they audit you. Home users just get their key blacklisted until they pay full price, notice how you need to enter a mail address when you activate, MSFT is continuously collecting telemetry, it's a revenue thing.
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Cool thanks wasn't aware of that - haven't used Windows for over a decade.

I was just thinking, it would make much more sense to take action on a single illicit distributor (and potentially stop thousands of bad keys circulating, recouping thousands of $$$) vs going through the pain of identifying a single user that might have gotten they key from an illicit distributor only to recoup $100.
I'm sure they have their ways of doing things that surpasses my knowledge but that broadly that's how I saw it. :)
 
Gaming is just one thing a PC can do, gaming is all a console can do (almost).
 
These debates are always so contrived...linux is horrible for gaming...tell that to the steam deck or playstation
With a gaming pc you can do more than gaming...sure that what you want the 4K+ graphics card for

Fact of the matter is, in modern times excluding the os is a flawed argument, as excluding that makes the pc seem artificially cheaper and you cannot exclude it...as you do not buy your ps or xbox and they tell you o ok, add on another 2k for the os.

Finally consoles are a ease of use product, its for people who do not have the time or the inclination to fiddle with settings to get the game running just right. Each does something right, but none of them does everything right
 
systemofpurplelimpminion said:
These debates are always so contrived...linux is horrible for gaming...tell that to the steam deck or playstation
With a gaming pc you can do more than gaming...sure that what you want the 4K+ graphics card for

Fact of the matter is, in modern times excluding the os is a flawed argument, as excluding that makes the pc seem artificially cheaper and you cannot exclude it...as you do not buy your ps or xbox and they tell you o ok, add on another 2k for the os.

Finally consoles are an ease of use product, it’s for people who do not have the time or the inclination to fiddle with settings to get the game running just right. Each does something right, but none of them does everything right
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I don’t really get the “ease of use” argument. Use GeForce Experience if you are lazy or the AMD equivalent. The only difficulty with PC IMO is setting it up in the living room.
 
saor said:
Oh I didn't see the R40. Either way I'd probably still prefer to buy from an active member who's available to help if something isn't working. Bought from them twice without issues.
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I've bought a few times from whoever was the cheapest on bidorbuy and always got good support.
 
wingnut771 said:
I've bought a few times from whoever was the cheapest on bidorbuy and always got good support.
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I recently bought one of those R40 keys and I have mixed feelings about it. While the support is great, I spent a good half hour trying to get Windows to activate with the key I was given, then I spent another half hour at least troubleshooting with the guy who sold me the key.

If it had activated without trouble I would feel a bit differently. I still don't know why it gave me so many issues.

I did buy a Win 11 Pro key, so I'm wondering if a Home key would have been less troublesome.
 
mr_norris said:
I recently bought one of those R40 keys and I have mixed feelings about it. While the support is great, I spent a good half hour trying to get Windows to activate with the key I was given, then I spent another half hour at least troubleshooting with the guy who sold me the key.

If it had activated without trouble I would feel a bit differently. I still don't know why it gave me so many issues.

I did buy a Win 11 Pro key, so I'm wondering if a Home key would have been less troublesome.
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I've only ever bought win 10 pro keys and never had an issues. I've also bought office keys too with no issues.
 
wingnut771 said:
I've only ever bought win 10 pro keys and never had an issues. I've also bought office keys too with no issues.
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Same.

I got Win 7 Pro key for R50, and Win 10 Pro for R75 from a Carbonite Reseller.
MS-Office latest version before the Sub was R99.

No issues many years down the line.
 
Aghori said:
I used the "PC-Builder" to build a setup. The Techs assemebled it for me, if you want to get technical.
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60% of the fun is unwrapping and connecting everything.
You'll never know the feeling of slowing unpeeling all the plastic off the different components!
 
mr_norris said:
I recently bought one of those R40 keys and I have mixed feelings about it. While the support is great, I spent a good half hour trying to get Windows to activate with the key I was given, then I spent another half hour at least troubleshooting with the guy who sold me the key.

If it had activated without trouble I would feel a bit differently. I still don't know why it gave me so many issues.

I did buy a Win 11 Pro key, so I'm wondering if a Home key would have been less troublesome.
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My wife has the same issue. She has bought three keys from two sellers. One of the keys has been blacklisted twice, another (the other seller) has been blacklisted once. Each time a new key gets issued.

Ever wondered why most of the sellers offer a "one year replacement warranty"? Have you ever heard of a LEGITIMATELY obtained key being blacklisted?

One seller has openly admitted he knows the keys are likely purchased with stolen credit card details and/or by other illegal or immoral means, but doesn't feel bad because it puts food on the table for him and he isn't involved in the initial acquisition of the keys.

The way I see it, Win7 allowed a free upgrade to Win10 which allowed a free upgrade to Win11, so that means 14+ years of use out of a key that cost around R 2,600. That works out to around 50c per day, which is nothing.
 
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