The Gender Debate

Nerfherder

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I've explained and the dumb ones couldn't grasp it past their hatred for those who are different. All in this thread.
Can you explain how a grown man exposing pretending to be a woman and exposing himself in a girls change room is ok ?
 

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Can you explain how a grown man exposing pretending to be a woman and exposing himself in a girls change room is ok ?
So what you're saying is, because there are exceptions, all trans people should be treated like they are pedos?

What about the "straight" people who do exactly the same ****?
 

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So what you're saying is, because there are exceptions, all trans people should be treated like they are pedos?

What about the "straight" people who do exactly the same ****?
I don't think you can call this example an exception. Yes there are exceptions and people trying to prove a point but this is not one.

Exceptions often prove the rule.

Like this :
The rule is never give anyone your PIN, most people are not criminals but you never share your PIN because if one criminal gets your PIN you are screwed.

Hence:
Men and woman have separate changing areas so that you never have the situation where older men are exposing themselves to woman. If you allow a trans woman (a man with a penis) entry to a woman's changing area they most likely would not expose themselves (for obvious reasons) but you create opportunity for it to happen because you create a place for this to happen.
 

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I don't think you can call this example an exception. Yes there are exceptions and people trying to prove a point but this is not one.

Exceptions often prove the rule.

Like this :
The rule is never give anyone your PIN, most people are not criminals but you never share your PIN because if one criminal gets your PIN you are screwed.

Hence:
Men and woman have separate changing areas so that you never have the situation where older men are exposing themselves to woman. If you allow a trans woman (a man with a penis) entry to a woman's changing area they most likely would not expose themselves (for obvious reasons) but you create opportunity for it to happen because you create a place for this to happen.
I just want to mention that while I am NOT for different genders using the opposite gender's change rooms, there reaches a point in the transition that they DO start becoming more of the gender that they are trying to transition to. This means that in the beginning Bob will start looking more feminine the more he goes for surgery and hormone therapy, so it will look like a woman is using the men's bathroom.

1561567173457.png1561567207729.png1561567223818.png All 3 are transgender.

Also, the exposure will happen n any bathroom, it is usually just limited to same sex. There was a story recently about a water polo coach molesting boys - a label on the door isn't going to stop molesters, but better practices and stopping adults(like teachers, coaches, etc) from dressing in front of kids is a good step
 

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I just want to mention that while I am NOT for different genders using the opposite gender's change rooms, there reaches a point in the transition that they DO start becoming more of the gender that they are trying to transition to. This means that in the beginning Bob will start looking more feminine the more he goes for surgery and hormone therapy, so it will look like a woman is using the men's bathroom.

View attachment 676991View attachment 676993View attachment 676995 All 3 are transgender.

Also, the exposure will happen n any bathroom, it is usually just limited to same sex. There was a story recently about a water polo coach molesting boys - a label on the door isn't going to stop molesters, but better practices and stopping adults(like teachers, coaches, etc) from dressing in front of kids is a good step
Let them use the disabled bathrooms like all the other amputees.
 

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More than what your ignorant arse can bring to the table :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
Let's just recap what happened last time you got involved in a transgender thread. I was being polite towards you, sympathized with you over your parents whom judged you for being gay, then asked you pretty easy questions about men competing in professional women's sports, and giving hormone therapy to kids, and you carried on insulting me. You come in here and throw around further insults when you couldn't even put up an intelligent debate last time. And you threw yet another insult. Seems like you cannot formulate a proper debate, or provide backup to any of your claims. All I see you doing is throwing insults because you don't like some content and cannot engage in any meaningful way.

This issue is going to get even more polarised. So buckle up, snowflake. I think you need to get over yourself and accept that people can have differing opinions than you do.
 
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https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-children-youth-ask-the-expert-is-my-child-transgender

This could apply to homosexuality or bisexuality too.

Q: How can a parent know if their child is transgender?

A: So much of this depends on the age of the child. In much of the current research about this, there isn’t a clear consensus in the community or among providers. The term “transgender” itself has gone through dynamic shift over time but is generally taken to mean someone who has a gender identity, a gender expression, a gender performance that is outside of the expected cultural norms for their assigned sex at birth.

It’s also true, though, that there are a lot of kids who are prepuberal [in the stage just before puberty] who have gender nonconforming behaviors, who I would not label as transgender. The truth is that we don’t really know whether that child who is gender non-conforming in childhood is going to go on to have a trans identity in adolescence or adulthood. What we do know is that by the time kids reach adolescence, if they have a gender identity that is different from their sex assigned at birth, that it is very likely that they will continue on to have that gender identity. So adolescence is an important time when we talk about treatment.
Q: How do you approach a child who just expresses some gender non-conforming behavior, as opposed to say a kid who persistently, insistently and consistently says “no I’m not a boy, I’m a girl”?

Here’s where it gets difficult though. Social transitioning has to be the kid’s need, not the parent’s need. If a parent wants their child to socially transition because it’s easier than just having a kid who is gender non-conforming, that’s a problem. And I have to say – this is very important – having an assigned male at birth who wants to wear girls clothes and paint their nails but is not identifying as a girl is a very hard space. It’s a hard space for parents; it’s a hard space for caregivers; it’s a hard space for relatives; it’s a hard space for the child. So it’s easy to then imagine, “Hey, can’t you just live as a girl full-time?” might seem like an easier solution to a difficult scenario.
Q: What would you say to a parent who comes to you with a 4 or 5 year old kid who they think might be transgender?

I always recommend that the family do a weekend where the child tries out the other gender and see what happens. If you’re nervous about it, go somewhere for a weekend where your kid is able to live in that gender they’re asserting, and see what happens for your kid. See what happens when they’re in the clothing they choose. It can be really illuminating.

I think that it’s really important before people panic about socially transitioning that they stop and ask themselves, “What could be the consequences of this? Is it really that dire?” When we think about giving people the opportunity to walk in both gender roles, we do a great service for society. I’ve never seen an argument that it’s harmful to let kids explore gender. People have such a psychic earthquake about this, but it’s not necessary.

Just because you let your kid grow their hair out and wear dresses and go by a different name – that’s all reversible. This is one of the problems about the whole concept of stealth and being secretive. It adds this ridiculous layer of secrecy that is really becoming archaic in the context of the new ways we’re thinking about gender. It propagates this idea that you can only be one gender your whole life and that gender is determined based on your genitals at birth. I just think that concept is becoming outdated.
 

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I just want to mention that while I am NOT for different genders using the opposite gender's change rooms, there reaches a point in the transition that they DO start becoming more of the gender that they are trying to transition to. This means that in the beginning Bob will start looking more feminine the more he goes for surgery and hormone therapy, so it will look like a woman is using the men's bathroom.

View attachment 676991View attachment 676993View attachment 676995 All 3 are transgender.

Also, the exposure will happen n any bathroom, it is usually just limited to same sex. There was a story recently about a water polo coach molesting boys - a label on the door isn't going to stop molesters, but better practices and stopping adults(like teachers, coaches, etc) from dressing in front of kids is a good step
This is all true and I'm actually more interested in taking away segregated bathrooms. All bathrooms should be unisex and we should rather have individual cubicles. Its not always practical but I'd rather all spaces be open and try an prevent public toilets becoming seedy places for predictors to hide.

This is all a side note but for example I have the problem where I either have to take my daughter to the boys bathroom or let her go in the female bathroom alone... now I'm obeying the rules by not going in but why would a predator do that ?

So separate bathrooms are not even a gender issue then. Its just with the current norms we need to have rules so people know what to expect. Like if there is a man in the ladies room and I let my kid go in alone I need to know the law is going to be consistent in protecting her rights and my rights in protecting her.


Anyway.. we need to be able to call a spade a spade. What's between your legs counts in certain situations, we need to be allowed to not fanny round with definitions.
There is no need to be horrible to people who have gender issues, we just need to have clear lines about where your gender is important.
 

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A decent thread on the impact of hormonal treatment on children.
Yes, that is true about inhibiting estrogen production. Not good. But that is misleading. Once they start testosterone injections this is reversed. Men have higher bone mass density than women specifically because of testosterone increasing bone mass density. Within years of male hormone treatment, trans men will have a higher bone mass density than if they did not decide to transition.
 

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Yes, that is true about inhibiting estrogen production. Not good. But that is misleading. Once they start testosterone injections this is reversed. Men have higher bone mass density than women specifically because of testosterone increasing bone mass density. Within years of male hormone treatment, trans men will have a higher bone mass density than if they did not decide to transition.
Guess you didn't read the rest of the thread.

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https://blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/

Bone development
Klink 2015 found that lumbar spine bone mineral density scores fell during puberty suppression with GnRHa for transgender adolescent females but did not increase following oestrogen treatment. Endocrine Society Guidelines state monitoring BMD parameters in transgender adolescents is recommended both prior to and during gender-affirming hormonal treatment.
Conclusions
There are significant problems with how the evidence for Gender-affirming cross-sex hormone has been collected and analysed that prevents definitive conclusions to be drawn. Similar to puberty blockers, the evidence is limited by small sample sizes; retrospective methods, and loss of considerable numbers of patients in the follow-up period. The majority of studies also lack a control group (only two studies used controls). Interventions have heterogeneous treatment regimes complicating comparisons between studies. Also, adherence to the interventions is either not reported or inconsistent. Subjective outcomes, which are highly prevalent in the studies, are also prone to bias due to lack of blinding.

An Archive of Diseases in Childhood letter referred to GnRHa treatment as a momentous step in the dark. It set out three main concerns: 1) young people are left in a state of ‘developmental limbo’ without secondary sexual characteristics that might consolidate gender identity; 2) use is likely to threaten the maturation of the adolescent mind, and 3) puberty blockers are being used in the context of profound scientific ignorance.


The ask here is not a hard one. Let the child go through puberty and get to a proper age of consent before undergoing such hectic treatment.
 

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https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6450/eaaw7317

Sex differences abound in human health and disease, as they do in other mammals used as models. The extent to which sex differences are conserved at the molecular level across species and tissues is unknown. We surveyed sex differences in gene expression in human, macaque, mouse, rat, and dog, across 12 tissues. In each tissue, we identified hundreds of genes with conserved sex-biased expression—findings that, combined with genomic analyses of human height, explain ~12% of the difference in height between females and males. We surmise that conserved sex biases in expression of genes otherwise operating equivalently in females and males contribute to sex differences in traits. However, most sex-biased expression arose during the mammalian radiation, which suggests that careful attention to interspecies divergence is needed when modeling human sex differences.
This would mean that differences of the sexes are not just from hormone levels and the genes on the (or not) X vs Y chromosome. How shared genes are expressed seems to have a role too.
 

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I've seen some weird **** in my life but this... This is a chick....



a ugly chick in my books but if your watching porn of her doing a guy your watching straight porn.... XD I showed chick tits on mybb so is this nudity?
 

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Transgender treatment: Puberty blockers study under investigation

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49036145

England's only NHS youth gender clinic lowered the age at which it offers children puberty blockers, partly based on a study now being investigated.
The study's full findings have not been published - but early data showed some taking the drugs reported an increase in thoughts of suicide and self-harm.
Children as young as 11 are now being offered these hormone-blocking drugs.
She also said staff were unable to raise concerns without risking being branded transphobic.
Yes, and a few individuals here have done just that. The likely outcome? Transgender people being held back, or hurt further, because treatment protocols are forced to be politically correct, and not tested if they are indeed impactful and not causing further harm.
 
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