The Gender Debate

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Transgender treatment: Puberty blockers study under investigation

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Yes, and a few individuals here have done just that. The likely outcome? Transgender people being held back, or hurt further, because treatment protocols are forced to be politically correct, and not tested if they are indeed impactful and not causing further harm.
When a person realises at some that a feeling they have in their head is not indicative of them being the other sex they could very well worsen their mental health issues.
 

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I've seen some weird **** in my life but this... This is a chick....



a ugly chick in my books but if your watching porn of her doing a guy your watching straight porn.... XD I showed chick tits on mybb so is this nudity?
But can you be banned for posting nudity now? :unsure: if the mods don't remove this post, it shows that they agree with gender being a state of mind.

check mate :p
 

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"white people stole my car"

and this was back in 2009 already.

to make it simple, search that phrase and click images
You're not actually explaining how they do it, you're just saying they're doing it?

How do they do it? How do they decide? How do they edit the search results? Why do they allow horrific things through if thy're manually editing it?
 

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You're not actually explaining how they do it, you're just saying they're doing it?

How do they do it? How do they decide? How do they edit the search results? Why do they allow horrific things through if thy're manually editing it?
oh geezus, learn to computer please
 

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oh geezus, learn to computer please
Still not explaining it?

If i said hey, these guys are monitoring your emails, I could give you evidence and examples of how they're doing it, why they're doing it, etc. I could even explain an experiment on how to test it yourself.

You made a claim without any evidence, based on a popular search result? It has been proven without a doubt that they CENSOR terms they consider unacceptable, but they do not alter. Want me to explain how I know this and know you posted crap? or do you want to give it one more try since you know how to computer?
 

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Still not explaining it?

If i said hey, these guys are monitoring your emails, I could give you evidence and examples of how they're doing it, why they're doing it, etc. I could even explain an experiment on how to test it yourself.

You made a claim without any evidence, based on a popular search result? It has been proven without a doubt that they CENSOR terms they consider unacceptable, but they do not alter. Want me to explain how I know this and know you posted crap? or do you want to give it one more try since you know how to computer?

do you really need someone to explain to you how a company manipulates their own code and algorithms within their own application.

they have staff(ex) saying they did, there were emails uncovered between staff discussing ways to "leverage" the search algorithm. other lengthy investigations proving they did by the federal trade commission. but no you want me to explain it. of course they deny most of it.

go google it.


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here is one example , check the vid

http://www.aei.org/publication/is-google-manipulating-search-results-to-promote-a-political-and-social-justice-agenda/
 
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One thing I've noticed is that plenty of people confuse gender and sex, and I think this is deliberate. I think the people who support transgenderism want people to use gender and sex interchangeably, so that gender becomes the replacement for sex. But they are not the same thing!

Further explanation: possible values for sex are male, female and intersex. Caster Semenya is intersex. Possibles values for gender are mostly man, woman and... well anything goes nowadays. Car, donkey, space shuttle, whatever gender you want.

So then, when you see a new doctor, pay attention to their medical intake form. Gender: male female is wrong. Male and female are not genders, they are sexes. You are not assigned male at birth, you are male at birth. Your gender is that of a man, and it happens that most men are also of the male sex. In fact, the overwhelmingly vast majority.

There is a deliberate confusion going on. People are afraid to use the term sex, but then, your doctor needs to know if you have ovaries. Your doctor might be advised to know if you think of yourself as a man or a woman, but they really need to know is what bits you have. Are you more at risk of anaemia? Should he check your prostate - not needed if you are of the female sex, even if you say you are a man.

Liberals and feminists started this whole thing a while back because it suited their needs to say that there was no difference between men and women. Everything was determined by conditioning and not biology, and so a woman can do anything a man can do. Well, a woman should have the opportunity to do anything a man can do, but they are not equal in terms of abilities. Equal in value, but not ability. Neither is superior to the other.

Actually I lie - women are held as being superior by society. At least, their lives matter more. Males are the disposable sex and always have been. We fight the wars and die.

Now however, transgenderism raises the possibility of someone being born male, deciding they are a woman, and then becoming minister for women's issues. Then you have someone who has never had a uterus, will never have a monthly cycle, and never has to decide on the sacrifice between children and career, making decisions for women. Ain't life grand. And the feminists have to call that progressive because if they don't, their own movement will oust them. I cannot wait to see the first woman who has never had a monthly cycle raise the tax on tampons. Oh man, the irony will be delicious.

But there's a further issue. A lot of the die hard feminists will deny point blank any difference between the sexes, in their desperate desire to defend transgenderism. Some will go as far as to deny that males are physically stronger than females. But, ask them whether males are in general more violent than females and they will say yes, which is obviously a contradiction because we know male=female=man=woman, therefore males are not more violent than females and we need domestic violence shelters open to all sexes and not just females.

Wait, what if I have a penis but identify as a woman? Can I gain access to a domestic violence shelter if my boyfriend beats me? Despite being 6 foot 2 and weighing 90kg.
 

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Actually I lie - women are held as being superior by society. At least, their lives matter more. Males are the disposable sex and always have been. We fight the wars and die.
Also one of those vast misunderstandings. Because in general, women, the elderly and children are less capable of defending themselves in a violent situation, men are historically the most suited to the role of defender.
As a species, we abhor the strong taking advantage of the weak. There's something about it that makes most civilised people quite angry.

In a genetic survival war, women are far more difficult to replace than men are, purely due to maths. 1 woman can only produce 1 baby (with exceptions) every 10 months or so.
A man however, is only limited to the number of women available to him. Therefore, the more the women of a tribe stays alive, the better the chances of survival of the tribe as a whole.

You will probably find a natural selection took place where tribes who exposed women to danger (hunting/wars) did not survive in the long term leaving tribes who protected the weak with the strong, to survive better overall.

However, how do you explain such a complex process to an early human? So it becomes simplified in folklore. It's duty, or honor or the right thing to do, or heroic, or ,or ,or any number of badges where men lay down their lives to protect women and children. It becomes tied in to history where the noble knight saves the princess.
This does not make women superior in any way. It's part of the social contract we bilaterally but unknowingly make with each other, across the gender lines to survive as a tribe/species.
 
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Liberals and feminists started this whole thing a while back because it suited their needs to say that there was no difference between men and women. Everything was determined by conditioning and not biology, and so a woman can do anything a man can do. Well, a woman should have the opportunity to do anything a man can do, but they are not equal in terms of abilities. Equal in value, but not ability. Neither is superior to the other.

Actually I lie - women are held as being superior by society. At least, their lives matter more. Males are the disposable sex and always have been. We fight the wars and die.
The cherry on the cake is when we don't ascribe to the feminist way of thinking we are then anti-woman, misogynist and sexist. Some guy on this forum had the actual gall to tell me something along those lines after very nicely telling me in a round about way I was looking for attention and was being a drama queen over a discussion that stemmed from abortion. :rolleyes:
 

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Also one of those vast misunderstandings. Because in general, women, the elderly and children are less capable of defending themselves in a violent situation, men are historically the most suited to the role of defender.
It sounds like you are dangerously confused and should report to the nearest reeducation centre, comrade. In fact, you should post on twitter seeking forgiveness and absolution for the crime of thinking there is a difference between men and women.

There is no difference. Men and women are equal in defensive capability. Exactly equal. A women can defend just as well as a man can. Implying that women need men for defense is implying that women are weaker than men and this is obviously not true.

However, it is true that men are more violent. Note that the statements, "Men are more violent than women" and "men and women are equal" are not contradictory. You are required to accept this as fact. Do not question this fact or we will send the twitter mob to criticize you.
 

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Liberals and feminists started this whole thing a while back because it suited their needs to say that there was no difference between men and women. Everything was determined by conditioning and not biology, and so a woman can do anything a man can do. Well, a woman should have the opportunity to do anything a man can do, but they are not equal in terms of abilities. Equal in value, but not ability. Neither is superior to the other.
Well, to be fair... men had also forgotten what the social contract was and it was steadily becoming entrenched in society that women were stupid, less capable, weak etc. etc. while this was so far from the truth its stupid.
In return for forgetting that women are our equals in home and life, women had to correct the ship before it veered off course completely.

Feminism as a vehicle for correction and change was good. It empowered the correction the course humanity was taking in terms of women being slaves in marriage rather than life partners and it educated those that would need to stop rampant feminism as it started to commit the same sins as men did all those decades ago.

Thanks to all this kerfuffle, we now know there's no such thing as a gender wage gap. We only know that there's a professional lifestyle choice that is completely different between the genders.

We now know that we should pursue equality of opportunity instead of outcome.
 
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Well, to be fair... men had also forgotten what the social contract was and it was steadily becoming entrenched in society that women were stupid, less capable, weak etc. etc. while this was so far from the truth its stupid.
In return for forgetting that women are our equals in home and life, women had to correct the ship before it veered off course completely.

Feminism as a vehicle for correction and change was good. It empowered the correction the course humanity was taking in terms of women being slaves in marriage rather than life partners and it educated those that would need to stop rampant feminism as it started to commit the same sins as men did all those decades ago.

Thanks to all this kerfuffle, we now know there's no such thing as a gender wage gap. We only know that there's a professional lifestyle choice that is completely different between the genders.

We now know that we should pursue equality of opportunity instead of outcome.
I don't know if men forgot that. Society has been becoming more equal for thousands of years - if anything, the behaviour of men has improved. Part of that has been due to social pressure, part of that has been due to religion. Some religions hold the man as the head of the household but responsible for the wellbeing of his family.

Anyway, sure, I'm not saying that men have been saints in their dealings, but to me this does not mean current feminism is the solution. We needed feminism back when women could not vote or drive or work in an occupation of their choosing. But that isn't true anymore, and yet feminism is more mainstream than it has ever been. As society has become more equal, feminism has intensified. There is more extreme feminism now than there used to be back when it really mattered, the 50's and 60's. Women have literally - literally - never had it better than they do now, and yet feminism is constantly outdoing itself in a bid to prove that men are unnecessary, evil, violent, sexist, weak and useless.

Interesting point about stopping rampant feminism - I think that is precisely the issue. No modern feminist wants feminism to one day stop. They want it to continue.

I don't think your last two assertions are accepted by the wider feminism movement. They still hold that the gender gap is real and they still want equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. I can only imagine the gymnastics that will have to occur to get the number of female CEOs equal to the number of male CEOs.
 

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I'm still baffled as to why gender should be debated. No debating biology.
 

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I don't know if men forgot that.
I am not stating all men did because it is obviously not as clear cut as that and the feminist movement has been going on for a lot longer than that (as well as the inequalities towards women).
However, cause and effect, the feminist movement started because it was becoming unbalanced.

Anyway, sure, I'm not saying that men have been saints in their dealings, but to me this does not mean current feminism is the solution. We needed feminism back when women could not vote or drive or work in an occupation of their choosing. But that isn't true anymore, and yet feminism is more mainstream than it has ever been. As society has become more equal, feminism has intensified. There is more extreme feminism now than there used to be back when it really mattered, the 50's and 60's. Women have literally - literally - never had it better than they do now, and yet feminism is constantly outdoing itself in a bid to prove that men are unnecessary, evil, violent, sexist, weak and useless.
If women didn't start feminism to correct the ship, we would probably be quite a bit worse off in terms of equality between genders. Those that "have it good" and are benefitting from the imbalance will of course be resistant to it changing and will most certainly not seek to downgrade their lifestyle willingly in order to better someone else's lot in life. Again a generalisation, but enough of one that is accurate because feminism became a thing.

Interesting point about stopping rampant feminism - I think that is precisely the issue. No modern feminist wants feminism to one day stop. They want it to continue.
This is a 2 edged sword. Like cops see criminals in everyone, doctors see sick people in everyone, psychologists see mental illness in everyone, feminists see misogynists in every one.
Couple that with realising that the soldiers in the war no longer have a war to fight. So they jump at any chance to still stay relevant.

I don't think your last two assertions are accepted by the wider feminism movement. They still hold that the gender gap is real and they still want equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. I can only imagine the gymnastics that will have to occur to get the number of female CEOs equal to the number of male CEOs.
See above about "staying" relevant. The facts will bear out the reality. Not as many women want to be CEO's as men do. Or computer engineers, or whatever other fields that there's an imbalance in.
And remember, if they want equality of outcome, then it swings both ways.
They will need to be equally present in human waste disposal as they are equally present in top tier positions. This is the winning turning point where feminism is losing its support.

Reality doesn't care about what feminism wants. Reality is heartless and brutally honest and has been the best weapon against feminism, especially showcasing the really idiotic hangers on to old ideas.

It's choice that determines career and income. It is supply and demand that determines a careers price point.
 
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