The Great Free State Asbestos Project Heist

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Messugga said:
That's awfully specific phrasing. Where there is smoke there's fire and if it turns out that this man is a corrupt twat, it would shed some light on why he's pushing NHI so hard.
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NHI is government policy, I don't get why you feel he is "pushing NHI so hard". He is doing what every person in his position would do, I seem to remember Dr Motsoaledi being just as passionate, I don't see how that can somehow be used as a measure of corruption.
 
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thechamp said:
NHI is government policy, I don't get why you feel he is "pushing NHI so hard". He is doing what every person in his position would do, I seem to remember Dr Motsoaledi being just as passionate, I don't see how that can somehow be used as a measure of corruption.
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Because it seems that the majority of government policy is driven by its potential to enrich connected individuals rather than uplift the populace of the country. And thus, when something is as illogical as NHI policy, one has to ask who has the most to gain from it. It's not a big leap to jump to those advocating the most for it, being those beneficiaries.

Or are you suggesting that our health system is corruption free and that the minister heading up said sector isn't to be held. accountable for said corruption?
 
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Interesting to see how many luxury sports cars these criminal benefactors have acquired through their criminal proceeds!
It seems that it's ever more imperative that any luxury vehicle purchase over a certain threshold should be subject to approval of a lifestyle audit and a SARS sign-off before the keys are handed over. Source of funds must be pinpointed as these luxury cars and properties seem to be the first thing criminals buy to "hide" their laundered funds.
 
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Mista_Mobsta said:
Interesting to see how many luxury sports cars these criminal benefactors have acquired through their criminal proceeds!
It seems that it's ever more imperative that any luxury vehicle purchase over a certain threshold should be subject to approval of a lifestyle audit and a SARS sign-off before the keys are handed over. Source of funds must be pinpointed as these luxury cars and properties seem to be the first thing criminals buy to "hide" their laundered funds.
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They launder money through sports car dealers.
 
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wingnut771 said:
What does the NEC have to do with the State?
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They are the NEC of the governing party within the state, that means they enjoy the enviable position of being able to influence government policy on a number of things.

In this instance they were deliberating on the proposed changes to government policy on politically exposed individuals doing business with the state.
 
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thechamp said:
They are the NEC of the governing party within the state, that means they enjoy the enviable position of being able to influence government policy on a number of things.

In this instance they were deliberating on the proposed changes to government policy on politically exposed individuals doing business with the state.
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Sounds like a classic case of not separating party and state. This should be Parliaments job not Luthuli house. Who's running the country, Parliament or Luthuli House?
 
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wingnut771 said:
Sounds like a classic case of not separating party and state. This should be Parliaments job not Luthuli house. Who's running the country, Parliament or Luthuli House?
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Parliament that just happen to be a congregation of various political parties. What informs the position of the members of parliament? Do they just think of something on the spot and propose it in parliament? it is ideas that are borne out of deliberations from their respective parties.

I don't know what makes you think deliberations by the ANC NEC somehow supersedes any parliamentary process that is supposed to happen if there are any proposed ammendments to existing laws.
 
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thechamp said:
Parliament that just happen to be a congregation of various political parties. What informs the position of the members of parliament? Do they just think of something on the spot and propose it in parliament? it is ideas that are borne out of deliberations from their respective parties.

I don't know what makes you think deliberations by the ANC NEC somehow supersedes any parliamentary process that is supposed to happen if there are any proposed ammendments to existing laws.
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In reality, it does. The anc has the majority and the mps will always vote the party line. Just look at the motions of no confidence.
 
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Sinbad said:
In reality, it does. The anc has the majority and the mps will always vote the party line. Just look at the motions of no confidence.
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That's the whole point of being the governing party, as I said the position of ANC MPs is influenced by the ANC, just as it is for any other party in parliament.

What I am trying to say is that there is no big scandal of separation of powers that Wingnut771 is alleging, Parliament is still required to do it's job as the process requires, the fact that it is full of ANC people, who will take a decision based on their party position is just how it works.
 
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That's the whole point of being the governing party, as I said the position of ANC MPs is influenced by the ANC, just as it is for any other party in parliament.

What I am trying to say is that there is no big scandal of separation of powers that Wingnut771 is alleging, Parliament is still required to do it's job as the process requires, the fact that it is full of ANC people, who will take a decision based on their party position is just how it works.
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I get you but I think the number of times we've seen state resources used for party indicates that the anc does not differentiate between party and state.

Eg the Zimbabwe anc visit. They only had to pay back the flight because they got caught and there was outrage.
 
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Sinbad said:
I get you but I think the number of times we've seen state resources used for party indicates that the anc does not differentiate between party and state.

Eg the Zimbabwe anc visit. They only had to pay back the flight because they got caught and there was outrage.
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True, abuse of state resources by the ANC does happen, no argument from me on that one.
 
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And the anc just left those people with their asbestos roofs.

and they think the ANC cares.
 
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thechamp said:
They are the NEC of the governing party within the state, that means they enjoy the enviable position of being able to influence government policy on a number of things.

In this instance they were deliberating on the proposed changes to government policy on politically exposed individuals doing business with the state.
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It is always amazing to me that our government works this way.

I didn't elect the NEC. They are unelected officials, only answerable to the ANC, and yet they wield so much power over how SA is governed.

This is our so-called "democracy".
 
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