The key to South Africa's future success in Sport

Xarog

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Of course soccer is not a Black only sport in South Africa like I have said previously, do you remember who hoisted the African Cup of Nations trophy aloft in 1996, what are the chances of that happening in Rugby or Cricket?
I seem to remember us winning a certain world cup in 1995 for Rugby. Does that count?

Of the last 4 cricket world cups, we've come pretty damn close to winning three of them.

Erm, the Bulls C team will thrash any rugby team the rest of Africa can pull together. The same with Cricket.

The fact that Soccer considers the rest of Africa as competition just shows how pi$$ bad they are.
Not a fair comparison. The rest of Africa are avid soccer players/fans but the same cannot be said of rugby or cricket.
 

Vrotappel

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Not a fair comparison. The rest of Africa are avid soccer players/fans but the same cannot be said of rugby or cricket.
The same as comparing the African Cup of Nations to the World Cups for Cricket and Rugby.
 

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WTF happened to this thread?
BTTB, to answer some of your questions.
Yes you can go to some grounds over the weekend you will find white kids playing soccer and by the time they reach their teens they go overseas as many of them qualify for EU passports because of their ancestory. They never resurface until such time they are older they decide to play for Bafana Bafana because they can't get a look in their adopted countries national teams. Who's problem is it that they are not good enough for Portugal or England for that matter and they decide that they should play for South Africa.

A sane coach not matter how his team is seen as bad as it can be, can't just choose and Tom, Gert or James to play for his team if has seen them play before. Many of the players in those links you and ajak produced are playing in the lower league levels of those countries they based at and some of the more prominent names are perennial(sp?) bench warmers in their respective teams.

I'm not saying those players (who are mostly white) dont deserve a chance to play for SA but if we have good players in SA either white,black or indian why bother with them. There is a perception that Indians in SA dont follow soccer and that is wrong cause half of the teams in the PSL or Mvela league are managed or owned by Indians, but they are not playing they prefer to manage and their kids would rather follow a British club than the team their parents own.

In fact soccer has never had any discrimination even during apartheid, hell you'll see players like Peter Bala'c, Andy Karajinski, Jimmy Joubert, Les Grobler, Noel Cousins, Mark Tovey, Neil Tovey, Big John Salter, Andrew Ramsden and many more going to the twnships (even if they had to apply for a special permit from authorities) to play with their fellow peers. The thing is even though the teams would all white or all black but by the early 80's blacks started joining traditionally white teams and vice versa. Unlike in cricket where people like Basil D'Oliviera had to go to England to play international cricket because of the race issues of the time. Coincidentally Basil D'Oliviera is the person who was responsible for SA to be condemned to international cricket isolation when the apartheid figureheads did not allow SA to play touring English team which had included D'Oliviera in their touring team.

Hope You get some of the things I just said.
 

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stepper said:
WTF happened to this thread?
BTTB, to answer some of your questions.
Yes you can go to some grounds over the weekend you will find white kids playing soccer and by the time they reach their teens they go overseas as many of them qualify for EU passports because of their ancestory. They never resurface until such time they are older they decide to play for Bafana Bafana because they can't get a look in their adopted countries national teams. Who's problem is it that they are not good enough for Portugal or England for that matter and they decide that they should play for South Africa.

A sane coach not matter how his team is seen as bad as it can be, can't just choose and Tom, Gert or James to play for his team if has seen them play before. Many of the players in those links you and ajak produced are playing in the lower league levels of those countries they based at and some of the more prominent names are perennial(sp?) bench warmers in their respective teams.

I'm not saying those players (who are mostly white) dont deserve a chance to play for SA but if we have good players in SA either white,black or indian why bother with them. There is a perception that Indians in SA dont follow soccer and that is wrong cause half of the teams in the PSL or Mvela league are managed or owned by Indians, but they are not playing they prefer to manage and their kids would rather follow a British club than the team their parents own.

In fact soccer has never had any discrimination even during apartheid, hell you'll see players like Peter Bala'c, Andy Karajinski, Jimmy Joubert, Les Grobler, Noel Cousins, Mark Tovey, Neil Tovey, Big John Salter, Andrew Ramsden and many more going to the twnships (even if they had to apply for a special permit from authorities) to play with their fellow peers. The thing is even though the teams would all white or all black but by the early 80's blacks started joining traditionally white teams and vice versa. Unlike in cricket where people like Basil D'Oliviera had to go to England to play international cricket because of the race issues of the time. Coincidentally Basil D'Oliviera is the person who was responsible for SA to be condemned to international cricket isolation when the apartheid figureheads did not allow SA to play touring English team which had included D'Oliviera in their touring team.

Hope You get some of the things I just said.
Hi Stepper.

Thanks and noted.
 

Highflyer_GP

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Angelo said:
BTTB said:
You are saying that whites have never been excluded from the Soccer Team based on their race unlike in Cricket and Rugby?
Yes.
Do you think that it's because of this sort of quota system that our soccer team sucks so much? Please clarify. While there are/were quota systems in place for rugby and cricket, the fact is that it only gets people included in the squad. The starting team is selected based on performance and merit. Chester Williams, Ntini, Prince, Gibbs etc. are/were all in the starting line-up based on their performance.

This is why our rugby and cricket teams fair so much better against international competition. IMO not qualifying for this years soccer world cup when we are supposed to be hosting it in 2010 is down right embarrassing. So who is to blame? Someone needs to take responsibility. And there's only so much that you can blame a coach for, at the end of the day it's not the coach out on the field representing your country, its the players.
 
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