The left and the "Nazis"

Xarog

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I watched the PJW vid last night, now I'm struggling to remember his terminology, but I think he nailed that NPC's are just pop culture consumers. It ties in with my SJWs and the Nazis thread. I don't think the average NPC is informed about post modernist deconstructive theory (or whatever tf) I think they're just soaking up whatever the MSM is pumping into their living rooms. That's true of the middle aged useful idiots we encounter around here anyway.



What would it take for me to convince you that in fact this gender studies stuff is indeed the ground zero for the problem you tried to voice in your opening post? :p
 

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What would it take for me to convince you that in fact this gender studies stuff is indeed the ground zero for the problem you tried to voice in your opening post? :p
All I can say is it was fascinating to watch and listen to.
 

Nerfherder

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This is such a false equivalence.

Ask yourself: What is the false positive ratio these days that someone is identified as a Nazi?

Conversely, what is the false positive ratio these days that someone is identified as a far leftist?

The two problems are nowhere near the same magnitude. You can't generally characterise right wing talking points as being "everyone who disagrees with me is a commie", but "everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" is stereotypical of the left at this point.

Edit:

https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/peta-cows-milk-a-symbol-of-white-supremacy.983917/

Nonsense like this is what Nick is referencing.
All i said was that there are people walking round with swastikas - they are identifying themselves as Nazis.
So there is no false equivalence.

I don't care what PETA have to say, not many people do either. Its more of a false flag than a false positive.
 

rambo919

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My definition or checkboxes will be highly subjective, but here goes:

Extreme nationalism
Racists
Homophobic
High authoritarianism (right makes might)
Extreme conservatism
High anti-socialist (no free education, free healthcare etc).

This post from the first page is itself a bit undefined, by the admission of the poster subjective.

By focussing essentially on defining people as "extreme" -phobics and -its or -anti's.... it forgets to actually define extreme but then again the slightly hysterical tone seems to define extreme as anything that the opposing side believes enough to actually want to implement in combination with a evolutionary "progressiveness" that even thinking evolutionists automatically reject since no evolutionary prosess is linear..... indicating the poster is a cultural marxist with any kind of marxism being a false belief that a particular kind of evolution can be accelerated linearly avoiding dead ends.

In many ways both sides of the so called horse shoe are somewhat identical:
Both believe in might makes right (differentiated from simple authoritarianism)
Both are religiously ideological (with or without actual religion)
Both are group-obsessed
Both eventually end up outlawing homosexuality (even though they are happily used as useful idiots to shift from right to left funnily enough) because it disrupts population growth
Both are highly authoritarian with the exception that the left pretends the masses are in control
Both end up extremely conservative, it is not a exclusively right-wing phenomena
Neither is the exact mirror image of the other since they share so many traits
etc.
 

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Isn’t it weird how we accept there’s only two sides? Are we not intelligent enough to realize nobody fits into either? Do you think this will change with quantum computing, when we learn a new system?
 

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Isn’t it weird how we accept there’s only two sides? Are we not intelligent enough to realize nobody fits into either? Do you think this will change with quantum computing, when we learn a new system?
Well....that is the thing. I for example have moved closer to the right.....but I am definately not far right. There are things I agree with from the conservative side....but also many things I don't agree with.
 

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Well....that is the thing. I for example have moved closer to the right.....but I am definately not far right. There are things I agree with from the conservative side....but also many things I don't agree with.
Yeah, but that's kind of my point, why only left and right? I hate to say it but perhaps I'm non binary :ROFL:
 

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I hate to say it but perhaps I'm non binary :ROFL:
Nick bitch slap incoming in. 1 2 3 4 :laugh:

You get people that is crazy right ..and you get people that is crazy left too....but seems people that is crazy left get away with it far more than those on the crazy right. If you are crazy right....you are called a Nazi an racist and white supremisist etc. If you are crazy left....the worst term used for you is rights activist .... Even though the crazy left seem to have some well....crazy ideas too.
 

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You get people that is crazy right ..and you get people that is crazy left too....but seems people that is crazy left get away with it far more than those on the crazy right. If you are crazy right....you are called a Nazi an racist and white supremisist etc. If you are crazy left....the worst term used for you is rights activist .... Even though the crazy left seem to have some well....crazy ideas too.
What is it that the far left crazies (which there undoubtedly are) getting away with?

I'm sure there are instances of 'leftist' people doing dumb or objectionable stuff, but there seems to be a very outsize idea of their impact, depending on where one gets one's information.

I think the equivalence between the threat posed by the 'far left' and the 'far right' is utterly insane, though.

Look at just the last week in the US:

- a far right lunatic tried to assassinate 13 top Democrats, including 2 former presidents
- a different far right anti-Semitic lunatic, fuelled by racist/xenophobic conspiracy theories that gets laundered daily by prominent right wingers (including sitting Republican congressmen and the President), butchered 11 Jews in a synagogue. This is amidst a huge spike in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the last year
- Yet another different white supremacist gunned down 2 black people in Kentucky, after trying to get into a black church (reminiscent of Dylann Roof who massacred 9 black people in Charleston a couple of years back)

This is just in 1 week!

Brazil just elected a virulent bigot and proto-fascist as president, Hungary's far right president is on an all-out assault against the country's civil and democratic institutions, while the Polish right wing government is destroying judicial independence.

What is the example of the 'far left' danger cited here? PETA complaining about milk... :rolleyes:
 

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Virtue signalling and other strange behaviours of the common or garden variety SJW.
Well aren't you just a regular old racist, sexist, homophobic nazi?!

As opposed to the insightful debate this particular green haired person offers
 

Grant

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What is it that the far left crazies (which there undoubtedly are) getting away with?
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of threats posed by groups, i find your take on this rather interesting.
you appear rather quick to rail against the far right as a group, and any threat it may pose as a collective



but allow me to shake thing up a little:

if the following was posted by someone, but with a change of group identity, you would without doubt be one of the 1st out of the starting blocks to defend the group and any perceived threat it may pose as a collective, and possibly go on to rubbish any claim by the poster stating the following examples are nothing more than isolated incidents carried out by a few individuals and cannot possibly be used as a yardstick of any sort by which to measure danger posed by the group
Look at just the last week in the Europe:

- a muslim lunatic tried to assassinate 13 top Democrats, including 2 former presidents
- a different muslim anti-Semitic lunatic, fuelled by racist/xenophobic conspiracy theories that gets laundered daily by prominent muslims (including imams), butchered 11 Jews in a synagogue. This is amidst a huge spike in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the last year
- Yet another different muslim gunned down 2 black people in Kentucky, after trying to get into a black church (reminiscent of Dylann Roof who massacred 9 black people in Charleston a couple of years back)

This is just in 1 week!

Iran just elected a virulent bigot and proto-fascist as president, Egypt's muslim president is on an all-out assault against the country's civil and democratic institutions, while the Kuwati government is destroying judicial independence.
 

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- a far right lunatic tried to assassinate 13 top Democrats, including 2 former presidents
- a different far right anti-Semitic lunatic, fuelled by racist/xenophobic conspiracy theories that gets laundered daily by prominent right wingers (including sitting Republican congressmen and the President), butchered 11 Jews in a synagogue. This is amidst a huge spike in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the last year
- Yet another different white supremacist gunned down 2 black people in Kentucky, after trying to get into a black church (reminiscent of Dylann Roof who massacred 9 black people in Charleston a couple of years back)
We are now blaming the politics when a crazy person goes out and kills people? I thought it was the guns?
 

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What is it that the far left crazies (which there undoubtedly are) getting away with?

I'm sure there are instances of 'leftist' people doing dumb or objectionable stuff, but there seems to be a very outsize idea of their impact, depending on where one gets one's information.

I think the equivalence between the threat posed by the 'far left' and the 'far right' is utterly insane, though.

Look at just the last week in the US:

- a far right lunatic tried to assassinate 13 top Democrats, including 2 former presidents
- a different far right anti-Semitic lunatic, fuelled by racist/xenophobic conspiracy theories that gets laundered daily by prominent right wingers (including sitting Republican congressmen and the President), butchered 11 Jews in a synagogue. This is amidst a huge spike in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the last year
- Yet another different white supremacist gunned down 2 black people in Kentucky, after trying to get into a black church (reminiscent of Dylann Roof who massacred 9 black people in Charleston a couple of years back)

This is just in 1 week!

Brazil just elected a virulent bigot and proto-fascist as president, Hungary's far right president is on an all-out assault against the country's civil and democratic institutions, while the Polish right wing government is destroying judicial independence.

What is the example of the 'far left' danger cited here? PETA complaining about milk... :rolleyes:
You've completely lost all credibility. No doubt there is real violence from the far-right, but you're honestly going to compare it to white supremacist milk? It just never occurred to you to compare it to leftist violence? Antifa didn't spring to mind? The cold blooded murder of cops didn't seem like a more valid comparison to you?

The funny thing is that you could probably make a valid case that right wing violence is more deadly than left wing violence, but that's not what you tried to do is it? You chose to ignore the fact there is leftist violence completely and imply that worst thing leftist extremists would do is call milk white supremacist.

And, you've actually just made my point. My argument is that the left has forsaken logic and reason for some reason.

Here's two points to ponder:

1.) A bit of violence can be less damaging to society than stupid policy making.

2.) Extremist left wingers in power are historically more deadly than extremist right wingers.

3.) I'd prefer not to have to live under extremist regimes of any sort.
 

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Here's two points to ponder:

1.) A bit of violence can be less damaging to society than stupid policy making.

2.) Extremist left wingers in power are historically more deadly than extremist right wingers.

3.) I'd prefer not to have to live under extremist regimes of any sort.
Another point to add: How the Left has embraced identity politics which is becoming the basis for all political arguments these days.
 

Xarog

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You've completely lost all credibility. No doubt there is real violence from the far-right, but you're honestly going to compare it to white supremacist milk? It just never occurred to you to compare it to leftist violence? Antifa didn't spring to mind? The cold blooded murder of cops didn't seem like a more valid comparison to you?

The funny thing is that you could probably make a valid case that right wing violence is more deadly than left wing violence, but that's not what you tried to do is it? You chose to ignore the fact there is leftist violence completely and imply that worst thing leftist extremists would do is call milk white supremacist.

And, you've actually just made my point. My argument is that the left has forsaken logic and reason for some reason.

Here's two points to ponder:

1.) A bit of violence can be less damaging to society than stupid policy making.

2.) Extremist left wingers in power are historically more deadly than extremist right wingers.

3.) I'd prefer not to have to live under extremist regimes of any sort.
How many lives ruined because leftist extremists at universities indoctrinated children into becoming activists instead of equipping them with skills to succeed in life? :cautious:
 
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