The Middle East Conflict Thread

[semiautomatix]

The palestinians did agree to the "road map" for peace.

Well Fatah at least. Hamas rejected it outright and refused to recognise the State of Israel.

 

[semiautomatix]

/sigh......

Unfortunately not in this case. Only the Jews get to drink

 

[JK8]

What worked? You have got to be kidding me right? How has the ANC government benefited South Africa?

You cant be that [Text Edited]!
No more "blanke only" it worked!!

 

[semiautomatix]

You cant be that stupid!
No more "blanke only" it worked!!

Somehow I feel getting rid of Apartheid might have been a little more than removing the "Whites Only" signs from the beaches in Clifton. But maybe that's just me.

Of course that's where COPE comes in: so many promises made, so little promises kept. I think it went from a collective struggle to a personal struggle to line their own pockets, and JZ is the ringleader.

 

[BBSA]

Why ?

Impatience, it is a process (give and take) and the Pallies did not understand that.

 

[Peder]

Seems i totally missed this thread the last few weeks... So i am going to bring it back into topic.

I Was actually looking at the six day war and reading up on what happened there, as far as i understand it was the arabs that started the war and not the israeli's, when israel said to jordan to stop they carried on because egypt told them that no they had just hit israel when in fact israel had just hit them. http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/timeline.htm#jun5

Israel even said everyone will be treated equally arabs and christians alike, but still the arabs would not listen and carried on.

I think that Hamas etc are the ones in the wrong because they want israel GONE...

 

[marine1]

Same like some of us who voted ANC into power, it worked.

Bwahahahahah JK8 please, I beg of you, go back to the motoring section.
Your credibility has now gone out the window.

 

[STS]

Somehow I feel getting rid of Apartheid might have been a little more than removing the "Whites Only" signs from the beaches in Clifton. But maybe that's just me.

Of course that's where COPE comes in: so many promises made, so little promises kept. I think it went from a collective struggle to a personal struggle to line their own pockets, and JZ is the ringleader.

i think it was more about changing the attitude of the then South Africans, and being able to be free and go wherever you want in your own country the ANC may not be what it use to be, but it has changed this country for the better

 

[STS]

Bwahahahahah JK8 please, I beg of you, go back to the motoring section.

how did it not work?

 

[semiautomatix]

Impatience, it is a process (give and take) and the Pallies did not understand that.

As I said, it took 60 years of fighting, loses on both sides, and policy all round to get to where we are now. That was never going to change over night, it couldn't. But Palestine didn't see change quick enough and let Hamas take over, which resulted in the country advancing in the reverse direction.

 

[semiautomatix]

i think it was more about changing the attitude of the then South Africans, and being able to be free and go wherever you want in your own country the ANC may not be what it use to be, but it has changed this country for the better

Can you? Can you really? I'm afraid to leave my driveway some days. And many South Africans living in townships are even worse off.

 

[STS]

yes, i know, crime is bad, we fear for our lives everyday, we bolt up our houses and windows, but do we take freedom away from people just becoz we're scared? i still walk around at night and sometimes leave my door unlocked. the ANC doesn't make criminals, crime makes criminals

 

[JK8]

Bwahahahahah JK8 please, I beg of you, go back to the motoring section.
Your credibility has now gone out the window.

Lol you wouldnt understand. It means something to us.
Just like other nations sat there and made speeches about how wrong the apartheid government was to us, they doing the same to the Palestinians.
I say the Palestinians should fight for what is rightfully theirs!!!

Israel needs to move out. Its the only solution!

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

Dont give in!!

 

[semiautomatix]

yes, i know, crime is bad, we fear for our lives everyday, we bolt up our houses and windows, but do we take freedom away from people just becoz we're scared? i still walk around at night and sometimes leave my door unlocked. the ANC doesn't make criminals, crime makes criminals

Unfortunately its the ANC policies that are responsible for crime:

ANC -> Crime -> Criminals
Ergo, ANC -> Criminals

 

[STS]

i'm curious how "ANC -> Crime"? how did you arrive at this?

are you suggesting that becoz people have more rights they are going to choose to be criminals instead of get decent jobs?

 

[nivek]

its funny how people can give you an "exact" ("exact" because its the total hamas provides, not actually proven/verified) amount of women and children that have been UNINTENTIONALLY killed in Gaza, yet no one can even give you a remotely accurate GUESS as to how many women and children have been killed INTENTIONALLY in Iraq over the past year in clashes between muslims..

but i guess their lives are insignificant cause theres nothing to gain politically right?

 

[daveza]

its funny how people can give you an "exact" ("exact" because its the total hamas provides, not actually proven/verified) amount of women and children that have been UNINTENTIONALLY killed in Gaza, yet no one can even give you a remotely accurate GUESS as to how many women and children have been killed INTENTIONALLY in Iraq over the past year in clashes between muslims

Hopefully all the women and children have been killed unintentionally - and maybe if neutral parties were allowed in then we wouldn't have to rely on hamas for information.

 

[nivek]

Hopefully all the women and children have been killed unintentionally - and maybe if neutral parties were allowed in then we wouldn't have to rely on hamas for information.

"neutral" parties have proven in the past they cant provide accurate information anyway so really what difference does it make

its a fact that during the war with hezbollah in 2006, they only reported on what hezbollah wanted them to report ill find u a link to back that up

you can be sure that pretty much anyone dying in Gaza at the moment is being added to the civilian casualty tally, even if its from aids or spider bite

just like the hamas leader said on cnn the other day 'the israelis had no problem killing yasser arafat'

 

[STS]

"neutral" parties have proven in the past they cant provide accurate information anyway so really what difference does it make

its a fact that during the war with hezbollah in 2006, they only reported on what hezbollah wanted them to report ill find u a link to back that up

you can be sure that pretty much anyone dying in Gaza at the moment is being added to the civilian casualty tally, even if its from aids or spider bite

just like the hamas leader said on cnn the other day 'the israelis had no problem killing yasser arafat'

they're doing the same thing with "farm murders" in south africa. stabbed in an alley and you're white? farm murder. hijacked and on your way to work in Joburg? farm murder. it's the same anywhere, people always use statistics for their own purpose

 

[nivek]

Hopefully all the women and children have been killed unintentionally - and maybe if neutral parties were allowed in then we wouldn't have to rely on hamas for information.

to back up my post on the previous page:

Intimidation of Journalists

Of course, journalists reporting from the scene may not always feel safe to voice their outright suspicions. Hezbollah operatives have been known to threaten reporters on the ground. Freelance journalist Christopher Allbritton acknowledged on his blog "Back to Iraq" that Hezbollah had "a copy of every journalist's passport, and they've already hassled a number of us and threatened one." And writer/blogger Michael Totten described how he had been yelled at and even threatened by Hezbollah press officer Hassan Naboulsi. (LA Weekly, December 29, 2005)

...After letting us take pictures of a few damaged buildings, they take us to another location, where there are ambulances waiting. This is a heavily orchestrated Hezbollah media event. When we got here, all the ambulances were lined up. We were allowed a few minutes to talk to the ambulance drivers. Then one by one, they've been told to turn on their sirens and zoom off so that all the photographers here can get shots of ambulances rushing off to treat civilians. That's the story — that's the story that Hezbollah wants people to know about. These ambulances aren't responding to any new bombings. The sirens are strictly for effect... (Anderson Cooper 360º, July 24, 2006)

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=63&x_article=1205

Israel learnt from its mistakes in 2006