The new way TV shows are being pirated in South Africa

[quovadis]

If you think that's the same thing as pirating it then you're mistaken. People are getting paid.

You either have a license or you don’t.

You’re not considering the rights of those who have licensed that content for distribution in the geographic location which are being bypassed.

 

[KleinBoontjie]

Even if that's the case surely they're both happy with the arrangement or they wouldn't have entered into it?

Stockholm Syndrome ?

 

[Botha22]

We even have a dedicated thread for this new way of pirating TV shows.

 

[Hamster]

Yeah well watching the first four seasons of Chicago Fire on Amazon Prime only to be told the rest aren't available in your country because some dick house company not broadcasting them have the rights kinda ruins the experience.

Then I had this urge to rewatch Boston Legal and ...oh, nowhere to be found.

So now I need to either not watch it or make alternative arrangements this while I have DSTV, Netflix, Amazone Prime and Youtube Premium subscriptions.

I reckon you morons fix this content blocking problem and you'll find that people are willing to pay for content.

 

[bwana]

You’re not considering the rights of those who have licensed that content for distribution in the geographic location which are being bypassed.

Correct - I'm more concerned with the content creators getting paid than the rights of DSTV.

 

[cr@zydude]

You either have a license or you don’t.

You’re not considering the rights of those who have licensed that content for distribution in the geographic location which are being bypassed.

Guys using foreign content services are effectively doing a grey import. I don't see this as the same thing as piracy at all.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

piracy is going to happen whether or not streaming exists or not,
when it comes to digital content, hard to copy protect it effectively, due to things like the analog hole.

also Netflix being a douche by region locking things like the days of yore with DVD region coding.
everything should be available everywhere, actually is there a good reason to region restrict things?

 

[Lupus]

piracy is going to happen whether or not streaming exists or not,
when it comes to digital content, hard to copy protect it effectively, due to things like the analog hole.

also Netflix being a douche by region locking things like the days of yore with DVD region coding.
everything should be available everywhere, actually is there a good reason to region restrict things?

Distribution rights, country restrictions and such its a minefield. Places in Africa aren't big on showing anything Gay related so things shown there are heavily censored or restricted. Arabic countries are the same in a lot of regards.
Allowing every thing every where would be a mine field as people are morons

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Distribution rights, country restrictions and such its a minefield. Places in Africa aren't big on showing anything Gay related so things shown there are heavily censored or restricted. Arabic countries are the same in a lot of regards.
Allowing every thing every where would be a mine field as people are morons

fair enough, but then again, its all completely useless, as people STILL pirate and get it Illegally.
even in the days of tapes and DVD's

 

[MRTOM]

I got myself F1 TV Pro and mostly watch YT and Twitch nothing else needed.Pirate sites cant be trusted anymore

 

[Lupus]

fair enough, but then again, its all completely useless, as people STILL pirate and get it Illegally.
even in the days of tapes and DVD's

True, but those are people who are determined, the average person in those countries will just let it be

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

True, but those are people who are determined, the average person in those countries will just let it be

fair enough, except when authorities determine what you should and shouldn't watch,
like in China, where Winnie the pooh decides how you should consume ANY media.

the internet is a great tool, borders are virtually meaningless, Information can spread quickly and without any restrictions.
and there isn't a damn thing ANY government can reliably do.

so again, what use is content/region restriction.
if you want G@y, M1dget, p0rn on a bicycle with no saddle.
you can watch it, you know what you wanted, searched for it and got it.

you only have yourself to blame if you get traumatized.

 

[bwana]

also Netflix being a douche by region locking things like the days of yore with DVD region coding.
everything should be available everywhere, actually is there a good reason to region restrict things?

You really think they like having to do it like that? That they have a choice about it?

Why do you think they're producing so much of their own content these days.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

You really think they like having to do it like that? That they have a choice about it?

licensing and greedy Hollywood types force them to do it, I know, still dont agree with it.

only to be thwarted by Joe public using a VPN
or Joe public, not paying a darn cent for it in the first place.

again, if the income was more transparent, and creative guys actually got the Lions share,
maybe region restrictions and DRM and all the rest of it would be deemed unnecessary.

as people would happily pay for content, just available everywhere and for a reasonable price.

 

[quovadis]

Correct - I'm more concerned with the content creators getting paid than the rights of DSTV.

Bypassing distribution rights in your own country in favour of another country does not translate into being more beneficial for the content creator. They're worse off as international markets generally pay a premium to exclusively license content within their geographic location.

Guys using foreign content services are effectively doing a grey import. I don't see this as the same thing as piracy at all.

I disagree. It's not a product, it's a temporary license to view that media. That license has different value in different markets due to the complexity of media licensing including exclusivity and demand in general.

 

[bwana]

Bypassing distribution rights in your own country in favour of another country does not translate into being more beneficial for the content creator. They're worse off as international markets generally pay a premium to exclusively license content within their geographic location.

I'm not sure why your trying to muddy the waters. Bypassing distribution rights is more beneficial for the creator than torrenting it. You say we "might as well be pirating it" and I disagree. By pirating it the creators get nothing.

 

[quovadis]

I'm not sure why your trying to muddy the waters. Bypassing distribution rights is more beneficial for the creator than torrenting it. You say we "might as well be pirating it" and I disagree. By pirating it the creators get nothing.

You're muddying it though.

1. You stream an episode of a program to watch from an unlicensed site - You have no license, you are a pirate.
2. You bypass geo-restrictions to watch an episode of a program from a licensed site despite even paying for it - You still technically have no license, you are still a pirate.

It's irrelevant who gets what income - the fact is LEGALLY you are still a pirate as you have no legitimate license hence my original statement. The ramifications of your action in terms of demand in other markets for licensing opportunities is a whole other discussion.

 

[bwana]

It's irrelevant who gets what income

lol - whatever makes you sleep better at night.

 

[quovadis]

lol - whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Ok so let me give a scenario to help you sleep but on your "more beneficial for the creator" stance. HBO is a pay tv service. They pay $100m to a Content Company to produce a TV show for their subscribers. There is no additional income other than third-party licensing deals. HBO licenses this tv show to other regions ie. DStv for $5 million dollars which the content provider or production company receives a share of. You bypass DStv and go direct to HBO bypassing geo-restrictions. Content Company doesn't make any additional income and waters down the demand for viewers in other markets such as DStv thus reducing licensing income prospects. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

 

[Lupus]

Ok so let me give a scenario to help you sleep but on your "more beneficial for the creator" stance. HBO is a pay tv service. They pay $100m to a Content Company to produce a TV show for their subscribers. There is no additional income other than third-party licensing deals. HBO licenses this tv show to other regions ie. DStv for $5 million dollars which the content provider or production company receives a share of. You bypass DStv and go direct to HBO bypassing geo-restrictions. Content Company doesn't make any additional income and waters down the demand for viewers in other markets such as DStv thus reducing licensing income prospects. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

You know most people on here don't give two flying figs about Dstv