The new way TV shows are being pirated in South Africa

[bwana]

Ok so let me give a scenario to help you sleep but on your "more beneficial for the creator" stance. HBO is a pay tv service. They pay $100m to a Content Company to produce a TV show for their subscribers. There is no additional income other than third-party licensing deals. HBO licenses this tv show to other regions ie. DStv for $5 million dollars which the content provider or production company receives a share of. You bypass DStv and go direct to HBO bypassing geo-restrictions. Content Company doesn't make any additional income and waters down the demand for viewers in other markets such as DStv thus reducing licensing income prospects. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

I sleep fine - where do you think that initial $100m comes from? Subscribers.

 

[quovadis]

You know most people on here don't give two flying figs about Dstv

Yep. I know and I'm no fan myself. I was just demonstrating that there are two sides of this. The first is that the person doing so technically is still a pirate due to lack of a legitimate license and that in doing so any additional licensing of content to other regions is jeopardised ultimately by reduced demand which doesn't help the content creator. That's all.

 

[quovadis]

I sleep fine - where do you think that initial $100m comes from? Subscribers.

I see the nuance of my argument is lost on you. The additional revenue streams from regional licensing receive less demand ultimately affecting the content creators you claim to care about.

 

[bwana]

I see the nuance of my argument is lost on you. The additional revenue streams from regional licensing receive less demand ultimately affecting the content creators you claim to care about.

Without first-tier subscribers there is no product to be resold.

 

[quovadis]

Without first-tier subscribers there is no product to be resold.

The cost of the production is not necessarily covered by those subscribers?!?! The same way that a studio commissioning a movie knows they won't necessarily recover the costs of producing a movie while it's in cinemas but rely on further distribution and exclusivity rights to such content.

 

[bwana]

The cost of the production is not necessarily covered by those subscribers?!?! The same way that a studio commissioning a movie knows they won't necessarily recover the costs of producing a movie while it's in cinemas but rely on further distribution and exclusivity rights to such content.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to recall you subscribe to F1 TV? If so, are you not denying them their secondary source of revenue by not subscribing to DSTV instead?

Licensing issues aside... how is that any different? You're paying the source, not the middle man.

 

[quovadis]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to recall you subscribe to F1 TV? If so, are you not denying them their secondary source of revenue by not subscribing to DSTV instead?

Licensing issues aside... how is that any different? You're paying the source, not the middle man.

The licensing agreements take into consideration the exclusivity and distribution rights in various locations and markets thus the amount paid by DStv is reflective of that consideration and they do not have an exclusive license for distribution of F1 via online streaming for the ZA market. If you take a look at the F1 TV availability there are restrictions per market based on live races, replays, archived content and coverage reflecting this. I am not bypassing DStv's rights to stream F1 TV in ZA. However, if I were resident in Brazil and used a VPN to bypass restrictions to watch F1 races live I would be infringing on the license rights of the local broadcasters and even if using F1tv would be watching without license to do so.

 

[bwana]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to recall you subscribe to F1 TV? If so, are you not denying them their secondary source of revenue by not subscribing to DSTV instead?

Licensing issues aside... how is that any different? You're paying the source, not the middle man.

The licensing agreements take into consideration the exclusivity and distribution rights in various locations and markets thus the amount paid by DStv is reflective of that consideration and they do not have an exclusive license for distribution of F1 via online streaming for the ZA market. If you take a look at the F1 TV availability there are restrictions per market based on live races, replays, archived content and coverage reflecting this. I am not bypassing DStv's rights to stream F1 TV in ZA. However, if I were resident in Brazil and used a VPN to bypass restrictions to watch F1 races live I would be infringing on the license rights of the local broadcasters and even if using F1tv would be watching without license to do so.

So licensing issues aside there's no difference.

 

[quovadis]

So licensing issues aside there's no difference.

Of course there's a difference. It depends though on the scenario and rights that were granted and to who and what basis in the first place. It's a complex scenario but bypassing the copyright holders own distribution licensing very rarely benefits the content creator as you believe.

You're still detracting from my points:

1. Bypassing geographic restrictions to view content does not provide you with a legal license and thus is technically piracy.
2. The argument for bypassing and going direct does not necessarily benefit the content creators as it reduces the demand for third-party distribution and lucrative nature of such agreements which is a component of the revenue.

 

[umamankandla]

I buy most of my stuff on iTunes and stream to Apple TVs (US account)

Our online service offering does suck in this country unfortunately. I have Netflix but don't use it much. The house has DSTV primarily for the news that runs on the TV's most of the time. I need to replace that soon.

Thank you for supporting propaganda TV...

 

[umamankandla]

Maybe if there is enough pirating, they will realise exclusive rights don't do any good.

Other problem with exclusive rights. They buy them in advance but only broadcast the shows when it is almost yesterday's samosas.

We want today, today. Not tomorrow

 

[dualmeister]

People still arguing about piracy in 2020
Its been around forever and will continue long after all of us are dead.