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Nanfeishen

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Aren't recoveries = cases - current infected - deaths?

The only stat that I think counts is number of covid admissions to hospital as a percentage of total beds available.
How about something nice and transparent on a district basis.
>50% Bed Occupancy with Covid - Level 5 lockdown
30-50% Occupancy Level 4
10-30% Occupancy Level 2
<10% Occupancy Do whatever you want.

Then if you happen to live with a bunch of ****heads, who keep getting admitted to hospital, you are going to be locked down. If for whatever reason your community is not getting admitted to hospital, great.
Recoveries and deaths are closed cases, those with an outcome.

There are still active cases with no outcome.

According to Worldometer there are 18 568 423 active cases of which 99.4% are mild and 0,6% critical.

And the whole point of focusing on recoveries over cases and deaths is to get away from all this nonsensical fear porn being fed to the public 24/7.

As to hospitals , SA had about 10000 ICU beds at most when this began of which those were split between private and public at about 7000 public and 3000 private. Occupancy ran at roughly 80% public and 50% private.
At no point was that not going to be under pressure with a population of 60 million people.
 

Paulsie

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The fact that there hasn't been enough time yet, does NOT indicate that we should do nothing. What we can do is extrapolate the data from the science of vaccination in general. And that CLEARLY indicates that vaccination technology is not harmful in a statistically significant manner, in the long term. Covid vaccinations do not use different or unknown tech.

You see this entire argument would not have existed AT ALL if it were not for an intentionally falsified study by a faker, that claimed that vaccines cause autism. Andrew Wakefield claimed he found a link between autism and the MMR vaccine. MMR stands for measles, mumps, and rubella. It was a tiny study, just 12 people.
Investigators later discovered Dr. Wakefield had fudged his data. The paper was retracted and Wakefield lost his medical license.
That's like arguing that McDonald's is safe long term, just because customers don't keel over at the counter.

There have always been issues with vaccines and plenty of them were pulled, either due to them being rushed as they were deemed needed (polio - cutter incident), or there was real data later on proving side effects.

Long story short - covid vaccines provide real short term benefit for the elderly, frail etc. For the rest, they have the right to sit on the fence.
 
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notayoba

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That's like arguing that McDonald's is safe long term, just because customers don't keel over at the counter.

There have always been issues with vaccines and plenty of them were pulled, either due to them being rushed as they were deemed needed (polio - cutter incident), or there was real data later on proving side effects.

Long story short - covid vaccines provide real short term benefit for the elderly, frail etc. For the rest, they have the right to sit on the fence.
Why the belief that the long term effects of covid will be less severe than possible long term effects of a vaccine?
 

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Damn this is one perfect thread to really iron out your ignore list. Soon this backwater socialist forum will be void of any new post.
 

rh1

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Why the belief that the long term effects of covid will be less severe than possible long term effects of a vaccine?
In my case my 1 year older brother, we are similar in age and health. He is doing quite well after he had Covid, I cannot speak for other people. This plus data on hand indicates I have high chance of having little to no complications, hence, I am happy to sit on the fence.
 

Spizz

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Damn this is one perfect thread to really iron out your ignore list. Soon this backwater socialist forum will be void of any new post.

Damn socialists. Discussing gawd damn opposing opinions huh? Should just shoot the lot of the commie swine.
 

LCBXX

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I get that the pro-vaccine zealots successfully managed to lump the unvaccinated & vaccine-hesitant people together with the stalwart anti-vax group.

How does a vaccinated person distance themselves from the pro-vaccination zealots?
 

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I get that the pro-vaccine zealots successfully managed to lump the unvaccinated & vaccine-hesitant people together with the stalwart anti-vax group.

How does a vaccinated person distance themselves from the pro-vaccination zealots?
Sorry there is no escape, your are either right or wrong, or wait is that left? I get confused. No nuanced opinions and fence sitters please!
 

jucedupp

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Yep, and we could extrapolate without any backing data the earth is flat, gotcha.
No, you should extrapolate with the backing data that Vaccines are safe, in general, and the likelihood of it being harmful, going on historical data approaches nil.
 

Little-Mermaid

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No, you should extrapolate with the backing data that Vaccines are safe, in general, and the likelihood of it being harmful, going on historical data approaches nil.
Yeah we should have done that with covid as well! Extrapolate all previous coronaviruses mortality rates with the current coronavirus!
 

LCBXX

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Sorry there is no escape, your are either right or wrong, or wait is that left? I get confused. No nuanced opinions and fence sitters please!
The pro-vax zealots fail to realise that they are all the excuse a vaccine-hesitant person needs to remain unvaccinated.

Or perhaps they do realise it, which is why they support vaccine discrimination, as an outlet for their suppressed racism.
 

Spizz

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I get that the pro-vaccine zealots successfully managed to lump the unvaccinated & vaccine-hesitant people together with the stalwart anti-vax group.

How does a vaccinated person distance themselves from the pro-vaccination zealots?

Well speaking as someone who believes and trusts in medical science, I'm quite happy to be called a zealot.

And to be fair, on the other hand I equate anyone who refuses or is hesitant to take the jab to have the same mental capacity as Carl Niehaus.

So, the worlds best scientists versus Carl Niehaus? Hmm, it's a toughy alright :unsure:
 

Spizz

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The pro-vax zealots fail to realise that they are all the excuse a vaccine-hesitant person needs to remain unvaccinated.

Or perhaps they do realise it, which is why they support vaccine discrimination, as an outlet for their suppressed racism.

Yeah, you'd kind of expect someone thinking they know better than medical science to question logic.
 

LCBXX

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Well speaking as someone who believes and trusts in medical science, I'm quite happy to be called a zealot.

And to be fair, on the other hand I equate anyone who refuses or is hesitant to take the jab to have the same mental capacity as Carl Niehaus.

So, the worlds best scientists versus Carl Niehaus? Hmm, it's a toughy alright :unsure:
You're literally making my point for me. Thanks!
Yeah, you'd kind of expect someone thinking they know better than medical science to question logic.
I'm just thankful that the "medical science" on lobotomies being a cure for lesbianism has changed. Pity about Rosemary Kennedy, though. She got one for a mood swing!
 
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