The Problem With Africa's Borders

rietrot

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It's actually a problem with borders in general, for some reason man has decided we need to have these artificial things between "countries" to identify us.
This has caused wars all over the world, yet does it get fixed noooooo, just new borders are drawn up.
You got this ass backwards. Identity comes first. You identify with your in group (family -> friends -> community) then you draw a imaginary line to let the barbarians next door know which piece of grass is your cattle's grazing spot. Then you kill each other over territory. You don't draw up arbitrary lines in the sand first.
 

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yeah the only problem is that when Africans no longer want to recognise these European lines, they get taken out quite quickly
That's more the UN's fault atm isnt it? The UN is mostly run by a consortium of regional powers from these third world states.... they have no interest in giving up their respective parcels of power.
 

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That's more the UN's fault atm isnt it? The UN is mostly run by a consortium of regional powers from these third world states.... they have no interest in giving up their respective parcels of power.
you go with that
 

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It is though. USA, China, UK, Russia and France. The EU is a ploy by Germany to get representation on the security council. :p
a consortium of regional powers which do not include African countries, interesting...

tell me more
 

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a consortium of regional powers which do not include African countries, interesting...

tell me more
Actually they are a consortium of world powers. Don't let Putin call his country a regional power
 

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Then you would have still have isolated groups looking out for themselves and other bandit groups looking out for themselves. agriculture in itself is no great binding force when it comes to binding together separate groups, you can easily see this today nvm back then.
Pre-agricultural revolution humans tended to stay in family groups with extended family groups occasionally coming together. So you are looking at 20 - 50 people. Pretty much the same way our fellow great apes do things.

This changed with agriculture. Suddenly thousands of people were settling together and they were not all related.

And of course these communities would find themselves in conflict with others at some point. Its inherent behaviour.
 

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and this consortium is not represented by any African countries, is this correct or incorrect?
There's some rotational seats in the security council but it's for the smaller nations to feel included
 

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There's some rotational seats in the security council but it's for the smaller nations to feel included
so its safe to say then that those with veto rights do not include African countries, and where African countries are included, its more ceremonial in nature, like a token gesture
 

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Pre-agricultural revolution humans tended to stay in family groups with extended family groups occasionally coming together. So you are looking at 20 - 50 people. Pretty much the same way our fellow great apes do things.

This changed with agriculture. Suddenly thousands of people were settling together and they were not all related.

And of course these communities would find themselves in conflict with others at some point. Its inherent behaviour.
And eventually as these families increased in size they splintered and so did parcels of land. You forget most of those outside people that settled the land never owned it. Eventually kingdoms appeared but that too followed the same patterns..... states as we know them today could never grow out of such conditions.

Parallels exist in European history, large tracts of land owned by minor kings. Sometimes temporarily unified by strong men but always later disintegrating. Only religion ever had the effect of permanently bonding them into nations..... though in other areas they had tribal religions which had no bonding effect until that was supplanted with bonding religion.

First came organized religion then came organized states modeled on that religion, you see the same thing no matter what the religion is the only requirement is centralized organization.
 

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so its safe to say then that those with veto rights do not include African countries, and where African countries are included, its more ceremonial in nature, like a token gesture
The greater majority of the UN has always been seats from the third world, the reason for the veto is to protect the 1st world minority from mob democracy. Also when has the upper leadership of the organization last not been third world in origin?
 

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The greater majority of the UN has always been seats from the third world, the reason for the veto is to protect the 1st world minority from mob democracy.
funny you say that, tell me what happened to Egypt in 2013, was that third world mob democracy?
 

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that's internal regional politics not UN politics... unless I missed something
you missing the involvement of one of the UN regional powers (thats represented on the security council) in the internal regional politics
 

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you missing the involvement of one of the UN regional powers (thats represented on the security council) in the internal regional politics
Going by what wikipedia says the UN was barely involved?
 

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What does the biggest individual member matter when it's outnumbered by a block of other members?
you do realise it can just ignore the other block of members, like it has done many times before
 
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