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We forgot about temba

You reckon he's moving to white ball cricket? He's still behind QdK, Aiden, and Reeza Hendricks for an opening spot. And Hash is maybe still around, and Rassie also likes opening.
 

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You reckon he's moving to white ball cricket? He's still behind QdK, Aiden, and Reeza Hendricks for an opening spot. And Hash is maybe still around, and Rassie also likes opening.
Na he bats in the middle.

And he made it clear that he wants to play odis for SA. He was upset about not being part of WC plans after a good domestic season
 

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In white ball cricket he bats at the top as he doesn't have the power game for the middle order. Not convinced he will get into the white ball teams.
 

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we need a rock at number 4. Temba should have been in the WC team over usless. I mean JP.

That was the main problem with the batting order, there was an out of form man* at the top with a high risk player. then we had a new man that needs to find his style of playing in international cricket at 3, the Rock at 4 and that was it. sure Rassie looks good, but he needs time.
Miller and JP were just a joke and did not deserve the spot at all. played on reputation and nothing more.

in order to get our team into a winning position for 2023 we need to pull an england and restart everything.

from this world cup to the next there are 4 players that will make the team.
QDK
KG
Andile
Markram.

I would like Ngidi in there, but his body let him down too long ago really sad to say that about such an amazing talent, but sadly I dont think he will be around in 2022 anymore. his back will always give trouble.

there is no one making a massive name in domestic cricket who is not another Berhadien. (too good for domestic cricket not good enough for international cricket)

our problem is the change was forced rather than helping it happen naturally.

if there were better systems and incentives in place for rural areas to encorage black african cricket players, the Ngidi's and Temba's would be everywhere.


my prediction? Faf vice capitain, Markram capitain. at least 4 new caps for the india series. test series will be slower to change, but it will still change.

sadly 2023 we will have an ever weaker team, QDK will not break the records he should (think Hamilton Masakadza) Markram will be removed as captain, shortly before and will be replaced with someone who has talent, but not enough experience due to the color of their skin. that is if the ICC doesnt remove our status before then.


Disclaimer, this is my opinion, and I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong.


*love # but score a century against Zim in a once off test that we label the send off test and then draw a curtain on an illustrious career that is looking worse and worse from a stats point of view with every game
 

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I suspect we'll get to see more of Qeshile sooner rather than later as long term cover for QdK.

Boasts a fc average of 48 and still only 20.
 

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I suspect we'll get to see more of Qeshile sooner rather than later as long term cover for QdK.

Boasts a fc average of 48 and still only 20.
I suspect we'll get to see more of Qeshile sooner rather than later as long term cover for QdK.

Boasts a fc average of 48 and still only 20.

We are spoiled for keeper-batsman.
Kyle Verreynne http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/595004.html
Ryan Rickelton http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/605661.html
Andries Gous http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/485379.html
Rivaldo Moonsamy http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/596489.html
Grant Roelofsen http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/699723.html


Like Sangakkara QdK need to move up the order in test, bring in a young keeper. Qeshile looks good, maybe the next home series give him a debut. Verreynne will make the team as a batsman. Hopefully Gous make the A team, he plays like David Warner.
 

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Proteas: Nkwe jumps into icy deep end
https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/proteas-nkwe-jumps-into-icy-deep-end-20190810

Cape Town – They say risk brings reward … well, Cricket South Africa could be said on Friday to have taken a particularly high-risk route toward that goal.

That is due to the confirmation that Enoch Nkwe, reasonably inexperienced coach of the Highveld Lions and Jozi Stars and presumably riding the wave of higher approval based largely on his 2018/19 season success at those levels, has assumed the reins as the Proteas’ interim team director under CSA’s much-debated structural shakeup.

It means he will effectively take charge of both head-coaching and manager needs, specifically for the looming Twenty20 and Test tour of India – a venture that, to be blunt, brings a high likelihood of a back-foot start to a new regime amidst a team rocked by recent retirements of seriously heavyweight figures like Dale Steyn and Hashim Amla and no guarantee others aren’t quite hot on their heels.

Immediate reaction has been decidedly mixed -- though when isn’t it to such matters in our often highly complex and still polarised country, and where so many people have a quick-trigger point of view more inflexible than they may realise?


The Soweto-born former first-class cricketer (an all-rounder, which isn’t a bad start for the coaching side of things) simultaneously becomes, at 36, the youngest to take charge of the national side -- and now with weightier responsibilities/powers to his title than any head-coaching predecessors for South Africa.

There is some sentiment doing the rounds that he has been catapulted to substantially loftier levels now as a “one-season wonder” at the domestic tier of the game, and at a time when it arguably suffers a bigger gap in standards to the international arena than at any prior juncture in South Africa’s history.

It is an unsettled environment, marked by the increasingly acrimonious legal tussle between CSA and the South African Cricketers’ Association (SACA) over plans to dismantle the six-team franchise system and return to a broader provincial format, the glaring lack of sponsorships for the major competitions and the gradual turning of the landscape into a sad wasteland from a spectator attendance perspective.

Against that bleak backdrop – can anyone convincingly argue against that? – Nkwe bravely takes a large leap forward, also not helped by the air of despondency and fragility around the Proteas following their limp 2019 World Cup.
 

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We are spoiled for keeper-batsman.
Kyle Verreynne http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/595004.html
Ryan Rickelton http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/605661.html
Andries Gous http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/485379.html
Rivaldo Moonsamy http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/596489.html
Grant Roelofsen http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/699723.html


Like Sangakkara QdK need to move up the order in test, bring in a young keeper. Qeshile looks good, maybe the next home series give him a debut. Verreynne will make the team as a batsman. Hopefully Gous make the A team, he plays like David Warner.
From an entertainment perspective QDK is great down the order in test matches.
 

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We are spoiled for keeper-batsman.
Kyle Verreynne http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/595004.html
Ryan Rickelton http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/605661.html
Andries Gous http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/485379.html
Rivaldo Moonsamy http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/596489.html
Grant Roelofsen http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/699723.html


Like Sangakkara QdK need to move up the order in test, bring in a young keeper. Qeshile looks good, maybe the next home series give him a debut. Verreynne will make the team as a batsman. Hopefully Gous make the A team, he plays like David Warner.
Best to drop those gloves so people can see you as a proper batsman. Remember how Andrew Puttick could never make the side simply because Boucher was a better keeper.

Other test options
Keegan Petersen - Boland - 26y.
Edward Moore - Eastern - 26y.
Nicky van den Burgh NW - 30y. Wicky

All hitting 40 averages.
 

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Best to drop those gloves so people can see you as a proper batsman. Remember how Andrew Puttick could never make the side simply because Boucher was a better keeper.

Other test options
Keegan Petersen - Boland - 26y.
Edward Moore - Eastern - 26y.
Nicky van den Burgh NW - 30y. Wicky

All hitting 40 averages.

Keegan Petersen plays for the Knights as a top order batsmen. Looks like a good player. Did very well make the step up from Boland to the Knights.

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Best to drop those gloves so people can see you as a proper batsman. Remember how Andrew Puttick could never make the side simply because Boucher was a better keeper.

Other test options
Keegan Petersen - Boland - 26y.
Edward Moore - Eastern - 26y.
Nicky van den Burgh NW - 30y. Wicky

All hitting 40 averages.

Puttick was at best a part time keeper. Reason he didn't get a go at international level was because we had better openers then him during his prime years.

I really like eddie Moore for tests. If elgar continues to struggle he should be given a chance.
 

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Nortje, Second and Muthusamy part of South Africa squads to India

Quinton de Kock will captain South Africa's T20 side during their upcoming trip to India. There are also three newcomers in the squad for the three-match T20 International series, with Temba Bavuma and Anrich Nortje included and Lions allrounder Bjorn Fortuin in line for an international debut.

Faf du Plessis was not included in South Africa's T20 squad, but will captain South Africa in the three-Test series that follows the T20s. Nortje was one of three new caps in South Africa's Test squad, along with wicketkeeper Rudi Second and spin-bowling allrounder Senuran Muthusamy.

Test match squad: Faf du Plessis (capt), Temba Bavuma (vice-capt), Theunis de Bruyn, Quinton de Kock, Dean Elgar, Zubayr Hamza, Keshav Maharaj, Aiden Markram, Senuran Muthusamy, Lungi Ngidi, Anrich Nortje, Vernon Philander, Dane Piedt, Kagiso Rabada, Rudi Second.

T20I squad: Quinton de Kock (capt), Rassie van der Dussen (vice-capt), Temba Bavuma, Junior Dala, Bjorn Fortuin, Beuran Hendricks, Reeza Hendricks, David Miller, Anrich Nortje, Andile Phehlukwayo, Dwaine Pretorius, Kagiso Rabada, Tabraiz Shamsi, Jon-Jon Smuts.

more to follow...

TEST XI: Elgar, Markram, TdB, Faf(c), Bavuma(vc), QdK(wk), Muthusamy, Philander, Maharaj, Rabada, Piedt

T20 XI: QdK(c-wk), Bavuma, Reeza, Rassie(vc), Miller, Fortuin, Jon-Jon, Phehlukwayo, Rabada, Shamsi, Nortjie

What has more lives than a cat? David Miller
 

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Theunis de Bruyn is one of the best stroke player I have seen in years. On pure talent he is one of our best batsman but he need to work on his temperament. Scoring freely for only 30 is not good enough. This season he need to score big or get dropped.

Rudi Second score lots of runs for years and is never picked. Has one of his worst year, lose his shot in the Knight team to Gous get rewarded with a test call up.:unsure: Why not pick Verreynne or Qeshile? Second in first class cricket is good just wish he was pick when he was inform.

Bjorn Fortuin in the T20 squad :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

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Bavuma and qdk as captains...Just no..

Test squad is light on batting imho

TDB is very talented but seems to be going the way of hick/ramprakash & duminy...Too good for provincial/county level but lacking the temperament for international cricket.
 

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Theunis de Bruyn is one of the best stroke player I have seen in years. On pure talent he is one of our best batsman but he need to work on his temperament. Scoring freely for only 30 is not good enough. This season he need to score big or get dropped.

Rudi Second score lots of runs for years and is never picked. Has one of his worst year, lose his shot in the Knight team to Gous get rewarded with a test call up.:unsure: Why not pick Verreynne or Qeshile? Second in first class cricket is good just wish he was pick when he was inform.

Bjorn Fortuin in the T20 squad
How well you can stroke means squat when you're out in the middle playing at the highest level.
You can't teach temperament. You either have that confidence or you don't.

Dippenaar, Rudolph and Mckenzie among others are classic examples.
 

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How well you can stroke means squat when you're out in the middle playing at the highest level.
You can't teach temperament. You either have that confidence or you don't.

Dippenaar, Rudolph and Mckenzie among others are classic examples.
WarneVsMe.png

I would have averaged over 50 were it not for that guy.

Until the # appeared, I was the closest thing to Picasso, of anything in a Proteas shirt with a bat in hand, that you miserable fans had.

Who am I? :giggle:
 

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Going to be a tough tour. Huge ask touring India without the likes of JP, Imran, Hash and Dale. New coach too...

Markram has to put his spin demons to bed and soon. India spinners will chew him up on the sub continent.

Must say, not very confident going into this...
 
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