The racism related news articles thread

[Knyro]

1) I lived in a ****ty little town called Stilfontein in the North West. It's a one-horse mining town where most people are poor.
2) I used to cycle to school on a ****ty little bicycle that was 10km away from home
3) My mom was unemployed for most of her life and my dad worked in the retail sector

We were not well-off and it was tough growing up, so I know what it's like for a lot of people who are struggling.

Most people in Stilfontein are poor? Really? It's a shytty one-horse town for sure but I'd hardly call most people that live there poor (got a few friends from there). Most houses there are along these lines as is typical for a small mining town:

Not as well off as your average MyBBer but nowhere near poor (especially compared to township dwellers).

 

[rwenzori]

And there it is!

On time, on cue. Thank-you.

Do you really think transformation is a standard by which to judge opinions here?

 

[cupcake]

On time, on cue. Thank-you.

Do you really think transformation is a standard by which to judge opinions here?

When it comes to rasicim I think the transformation is a pretty good standard. It's certainly not the only one but would definitely keep things going in the right direction considering it affects both sides of the fence equally.

 

[rwenzori]

When it comes to rasicim I think the transformation is a pretty good standard. It's certainly not the only one but would definitely keep things going in the right direction considering it affects both sides of the fence equally.

Well then you'll need to describe what you mean by the term, which is horribly general. Transformation of what? And how? In practical details please.

I have see transformation at work in UKZN by the racist idiot Makgobba, and how it has trashed a once respectable institution.

The term is bandied about allovertheeffingplace as a universal panacea, but given no substance. Tell us what you mean and want.

 

[cupcake]

Well then you'll need to describe what you mean by the term, which is horribly general. Transformation of what? And how? In practical details please.

I have see transformation at work in UKZN by the racist idiot Makgobba, and how it has trashed a once respectable institution.

The term is bandied about allovertheeffingplace as a universal panacea, but given no substance. Tell us what you mean and want.

It's not complicated but if you don't want to get it no amount of debating it with you will change that so I am not interested in getting baited into a pointless fight with you so please move along.

 

[Vrotappel]

Stupid opinions need to be stomped on. This is CA. Mollycoddling and wimpishness can feel at home in the Health, Wealth, Tears & Wailing section.

LOL. Here your SJW badge and white guilt means nothing.

 

[cupcake]

LOL. Here your SJW badge and white guilt means nothing.

Interesting! If it means nothing why even bother to acknowledge it then? It must serve your agenda in some way!

 

[rwenzori]

It's not complicated but if you don't want to get it no amount of debating it with you will change that so I am not interested in getting baited into a pointless fight with you so please move along.

Well then kindly stop bleating and go off to the Health...etc. section. Stop wasting our time here.

Transformation - so simple, yet no-one will articulate it.

 

[C4Cat]

LOL. Here your SJW badge and white guilt means nothing.

Why are you so obsessed with SJW and white guilt?

 

[cupcake]

Well then kindly stop bleating and go off to the Health...etc. section. Stop wasting our time here.

You will have to just ignore me in that case.

 

[rwenzori]

You will have to just ignore me in that case.

Nah! I'll rip into your posts for the benefit of all if you post crap. If not why not.

 

[cupcake]

Nah! I'll rip into your posts for the benefit of all if you post crap. If not why not.

Alright! dito, until next time then.

 

[TriGuN]

Why are you so obsessed with SJW and white guilt?

Because we're their target. The obsession is mutual.

 

[ToxicBunny]

No, and I don't nessasarily agree with his point of view but I do think your approach is questionable and IMO is most certainly not geared for transformation.

Until ngwe23 can articulate what they mean by "transformation" (Which has been asked for many times), I couldn't get two tosses about it really...

Give us a concrete idea of what is ACTUALLY wanted rather than some airy fairy BS then maybe constructive conversations can be had around the topic.

So far the most concrete request we've got around this is that white people must just STFU about racism stuff... which I refuse to do...

 

[porchrat]

Please explain what you mean by destroy. My take is that while EFF's policies will be bad for the economy in the short term, in the long run the country will be better off.

This is sort of the basic idea of what I see as a large issue with what the EFF wants to do. It is rather simplified but then again I'm not an economist so I could be wrong. I just like to think of things in terms I can relate to:

You can't just take assets from people who know how to leverage them to generate wealth and hand them to people with no skills and expect them to, even in the long run, just figure it out on their own. So you need resources and time to teach those unskilled people to leverage those assets.

See that bold sentence is the where the problem comes in for the EFF just as it did for Zimbabwe. When your government has the power to just take things without compensation nobody is going to invest any real money in this economy because their investment can just be taken away. The risk is massive. In the same breath the people who actually generate the wealth of this country at the moment, taxpayers like you and me, will leave en masse. So not only will the government be left with a fraction of the budget they're used to operating on but most of the folks with the real skills will have left.

At that point, with no money and no skills, how does one train the unskilled folks?

It seems to me that even in the long run you just leave everyone screwed with that approach. Well, not the guys with the real wealth and skills obviously... they will just leave and settle somewhere less hostile, but everyone else... screwed.

 

[rwenzori]

Until ngwe23 can articulate what they mean by "transformation" (Which has been asked for many times),

It normally seems to mean "free money", and, given that about one third of the entire population is getting free money in the form of social grants, for starters, methinks we are doing quite well at this transformation lark.

 

[C4Cat]

This is sort of the basic idea of what I see as a large issue with what the EFF wants to do. It is rather simplified but then again I'm not an economist so I could be wrong. I just like to think of things in terms I can relate to:

You can't just take assets from people who know how to leverage them to generate wealth and hand them to people with no skills and expect them to, even in the long run, just figure it out on their own. So you need resources and time to teach those unskilled people to leverage those assets.

See that bold sentence is the where the problem comes in for the EFF just as it did for Zimbabwe. When your government has the power to just take things without compensation nobody is going to invest any real money in this economy because their investment can just be taken away. The risk is massive. In the same breath the people who actually generate the wealth of this country at the moment, taxpayers like you and me, will leave en masse. So not only will the government be left with a fraction of the budget they're used to operating on but most of the folks with the real skills will have left.

At that point, with no money and no skills, how does one train the unskilled folks?

It seems to me that even in the long run you just leave everyone screwed with that approach. Well, not the guys with the real wealth and skills obviously... they will just leave and settle somewhere less hostile, but everyone else... screwed.

That's not what they want they say they want to do though. When it comes to land they are quite clear that only land that is not being used will be transferred. As far as I can tell anyway. I personally like what the EFF stands for I just don't like the militancy of it. There must be a better way than fighting.

 

[ToxicBunny]

That's not what they want they say they want to do though. When it comes to land they are quite clear that only land that is not being used will be transferred. As far as I can tell anyway. I personally like what the EFF stands for I just don't like the militancy of it. There must be a better way than fighting.

Define land not being used then in terms of time periods, does it have to have buildings on it or not, etc etc..
What about strategic land purchases that are being used for 20 or 30 year land development plans?

Does the unused land include the vast swathes of open space in municipalities or unused municipal/government land?

 

[GrammatonCleric]

Did you manage to get out of poverty and make a better life for yourself?
It's not easy growing up under such circumstances

I did make life better for myself. I used to walk to work after school to a biscuit shop where my job was to pack and sell biscuits.
Then I was a waiter for a few years to afford to study further, so I could get to where I am today.

That on it's own was incredibly difficult, and I'm still an average middle-class citizen. Nothing was handed to me on a silver platter and I didn't feel like someone owed me something or I was entitled to anything. Working towards something gives a better sense of achievement without the guilt. I've been down in the dumps, as well as at rock-bottom.

I'm STILL no better than the next person!

Most people in Stilfontein are poor? Really? It's a shytty one-horse town for sure but I'd hardly call most people that live there poor (got a few friends from there). Most houses there are along these lines as is typical for a small mining town:

Not as well off as your average MyBBer but nowhere near poor (especially compared to township dwellers).

Yes, that's the picture of an average mine-house. Some folks live in better houses than others. I didn't grow up in one of those fancy house and we really were not well-off like a lot of folks, and some of your friends, from there.

You can't paint everyone from there with the same brush.

That place taught me to deal with tough times and appreciate things I otherwise would not have.

I'm trying to get a message across that not all white people were privileged all their lives...

 

[ngwe23]

Until ngwe23 can articulate what they mean by "transformation" (Which has been asked for many times), I couldn't get two tosses about it really...

Give us a concrete idea of what is ACTUALLY wanted rather than some airy fairy BS then maybe constructive conversations can be had around the topic.

So far the most concrete request we've got around this is that white people must just STFU about racism stuff... which I refuse to do...

If only you could ask. The problem, of course is that even if I articulate you will, only an answer that you want to hear will be satisfactory. Anyway.

Transformation in this context means that all sectors of society should be reflective of the country's demographics.