The racism related news articles thread

[rwenzori]

Btw what was stolen from us in not just land.

Firstly, what is "us". There are several ethnic groups in SA - NOT a homogeneous "black" people - and their histories vary.

Secondly, what was stolen, specifically, from your own forefathers, where, and when? ( I'm not having a dig at you and I know that in some cases things were "stolen" ). I'm trying to get you away from this bs of the generic black "us".

 

[rwenzori]

You've mentioned land a few times. Do you think that land ownership is the answer to lifting the majority? And if so, what will the people do with their land?

The interesting thing is that in KZN ( the only province where there are vaguely useful figures ) only about 15% of the land is owned by whites.

 

[ngwe23]

Orly? "They" being whiteys?

Again putting words into my mouth. Sigh.... I give up. Is it inconceivable to you that by "they" I am referring to certain members of this forum who exhibit the same behavior. Why do you take the worst when a perfect reasonable explanation is there. Talk about a chip...

 

[rwenzori]

Freedom

Yes.

 

[ngwe23]

Yes.

Glad we finally agree

 

[rwenzori]

Again putting words into my mouth. Sigh.... I give up. Is it inconceivable to you that by "they" I am referring to certain members of this forum who exhibit the same behavior. Why do you take the worst when a perfect reasonable explanation is there. Talk about a chip...

Just asking, china. See that little question mark thingy? Calm down.

I wanna be a Simba chippy...

 

[Jings]

That is because BEE is not meant to solve unemployment problem. I have no ideas where you got that ideas from. That can only be solved when the economy grows.

How do you expect the economy to grow? Claiming black people are at the bottom of the scale doesn't solve anything either.

Millions of black people have jobs, education, etc. It just so happens the black people are 80% majority so there are more millions of black people unemployed.

 

[Spizz]

The interesting thing is that in KZN ( the only province where there are vaguely useful figures ) only about 15% of the land is owned by whites.

People in industrial nations don't have land other than their homestead if they are lucky. Indeed, if I'm not mistaken and iirc, 95% of French people rent their homes for example. Neither of my grandparents ever owned a home and my own parents only in the last 20 years. Me. I've owned 4 or 5 but that's how things roll these days I guess and that's the norm.

So I'm just wondering what this land thing is all about because it doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for success or wealth in successful countries. People get a job, save for the future and hope to do better for their kids than they did. Rinse and repeat.

 

[ngwe23]

You've mentioned land a few times. Do you think that land ownership is the answer to lifting the majority? And if so, what will the people do with their land?

No land was introduced into thread by someone else. For me the land issue is just part of the debate that includes mines, banks, property etc.

 

[FrankieK]

Yikes. This thread should have it's own dialling code. I've always had this theory (mostly when I'm drunk) that races are a product of their environment and the challenges that they face in that environment.

Take the people from the Northern Hemisphere. Most of the NH is located in an inhospitable climate. You HAVE to make something happen in order to survive. Hence the industrial revolution etc etc.

Yet in Africa/Southern Hemisphere the climate is very hospitable. Lots of rain and sunshine and so forth. Therefore no immediate need to invent/adapt or die.

This whole evolution of "species" explains the current state of development in different parts of the world. Regions around the equator are generally less developed than those further removed from it.

Once again, this is my opinion and open to correction. And this is my BIG picture thinking.

 

[ToxicBunny]

No land was introduced into thread by someone else. For me the land issue is just part of the debate that includes mines, banks, property etc.

Banks?

What claim do you think you have on the banks specifically?

 

[rwenzori]

So I'm just wondering what this land thing is all about because it doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for success or wealth in successful countries. People get a job, save for the future and hope to do better for their kids than they did. Rinse and repeat.

I do understand some of it. I was chatting to a Xhosa chap on Twitter. He is studying at the UWC, IIRC, living in Khayelitsha in a tiny house on an urban postage stamp, township style. He, of course has grandiose ideas about how he is deserving of an acre or two in Constantia. Yet the question is really - is there not land near CT that could be allocated to people such as this chap to ease the squalor, to ease the poverty?

Poverty is a really terrible thing.

 

[Spizz]

No land was introduced into thread by someone else. For me the land issue is just part of the debate that includes mines, banks, property etc.

Ok.

But that whole communism thing that EFF have going on just scares the crap out of me tbh. I can understand why people would jump at it, nothing to lose when you are living in a shack etc, but it is for sure the road to ruin in this country with the sheer number of people surely waiting to step in and abuse where they can.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a socialist at heart, but I'm afraid there are just too many people in SA who are not mature enough to understand what socialism means and the responsibility it brings.

 

[Spizz]

I do understand some of it. I was chatting to a Xhosa chap on Twitter. He is studying at the UWC, IIRC, living in Khayelitsha in a tiny house on an urban postage stamp, township style. He, of course has grandiose ideas about how he is deserving of an acre or two in Constantia. Yet the question is really - is there not land near CT that could be allocated to people such as this chap to ease the squalor, to ease the poverty?

Poverty is a really terrible thing.

Oh for sure. But having grown up in a pretty squalid and poverty ridden area myself, I never once thought that I was entitled to anything that wasn't going to be the product of my own hard work.

This misinformation and misunderstanding about land is really a red herring, simply put poor people don't have land unless the work for it and buy it. Why that should be different in SA is completely beyond me.

 

[Dave]

No it does not! But I was talking more about this. http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/list-laws-land-dispossession-and-segregation

So land in KZN in the areas granted to the Boers or English by Shaka and Dingane that is now considered tribal land was stolen by the Zulus from the Boers and English? Is there any procedure for them to make claims or claim restitution for their stolen land?

for example, the land between the Drakensberg in the west, the Thukela River in the north, the Indian Ocean in the east and the Mzimvubu River in the south?

 

[rwenzori]

So land in KZN in the areas granted to the Boers or English by Shaka and Dingane that is now considered tribal land was stolen by the Zulus from the Boers and English? Is there any procedure for them to make claims or claim restitution for their stolen land?

for example, the land between the Drakensberg in the west, the Thukela River in the north, the Indian Ocean in the east and the Mzimvubu River in the south?

Facts and history - the two bitches of the apocalypse.

 

[ellyally]

Freedom

Were they slaves?

 

[Vrotappel]

Black South Africans are still at the bottom end of the scale on any measurable metric. Education. Employment. House hold income. Health. Everything. That is our predicament.

I asked for a comparison with black people in other African countries. Why can you not give straight answers?

 

[Vrotappel]

The economy of South Africa was open only for white men. They, thus, structured it in a way that further advantages them.

Once again no straight answer. Revenge game it seems, driven by hatred for whites.

 

[crackersa]

Once again no straight answer. Revenge game it seems, driven by hatred for whites.

Revenge drives a lot of people