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[freddster]

You are assuming that they are starting form the same base and they are not. The biggest determiner to you prospects in life is your parents.

Bull**** again. Referring to my grandfather who was a traindriver. my uncle started a garage/service station, built it up to own 5 franchises of one of the largest motorspare companies. My father went to university , got an engineering degree...
My other grandfather(5 children), grandmoehter worked in a laundromat, was a mine worker, down in the mine. not at the top in an office. My mother started as a teller at United Bank at the time, worked and studies and became a business development manager.
My uncle that side has is own IT business also worked himself up, to MSNE?, certified network engineer...
Aunt was a receptionist, then became housewife
One was a boilermaker and another a welder.
So explain to me the parent thing...as you can see here its about the individual. if you want to work, regardless of what your parents are, you'll make it. Looking at the guy with the cheap rocket fuel, coming from a squattercamp in PE ot where ever. He made it. So my thinking is you are nothing but a cry baby, who probably couldn't make it for some reason. Now you believe that, since it seems you believe in bull****,fed to you by you government and whatever party you believe in, that whites get born, with their degrees, and R2m houses and R500k cars in their laps at birth. Seems you are a sulky, bowl handed guy,like many others, who want everything to fall easily into his lap.

 

[ngwe23]

Bull**** again. Referring to my grandfather who was a traindriver. my uncle started a garage/service station, built it up to own 5 franchises of one of the largest motorspare companies. My father went to university , got an engineering degree...
My other grandfather(5 children), grandmoehter worked in a laundromat, was a mine worker, down in the mine. not at the top in an office. My mother started as a teller at United Bank at the time, worked and studies and became a business development manager.
My uncle that side has is own IT business also worked himself up, to MSNE?, certified network engineer...
Aunt was a receptionist, then became housewife
One was a boilermaker and another a welder.
So explain to me the parent thing...as you can see here its about the individual. if you want to work, regardless of what your parents are, you'll make it. Looking at the guy with the cheap rocket fuel, coming from a squattercamp in PE ot where ever. He made it. So my thinking is you are nothing but a cry baby, who probably couldn't make it for some reason. Now you believe that, since it seems you believe in bull****,fed to you by you government and whatever party you believe in, that whites get born, with their degrees, and R2m houses and R500k cars in their laps at birth. Seems you are a sulky, bowl handed guy,like many others, who want everything to fall easily into his lap.

Good for you and your family. Your comment rest on a number of false premises:

1. You assume that your family achieved what they did only because they were harder workers. You completely ignore that they lived at a time that was [-]conducive[/-](wrong word) tailored for the progression of one race. Of course such an environment will produce fruits for said race.
2. You are also narrating achievements that span generations. Black people have only been allowed free access into the main stream economy for a mere 2 decades.
3. You are giving me anecdotes and that is not necessarily reflective of the whole population
4. You are assuming that I am a "cry baby, who couldn't make it". I hold a 4 year engineering(electrical) degree(Soon to be masters'). I earn decent money to afford property, a BMW take my child to Montessori, support my mother and siblings. My wife runs her own business which we acquired lat year. So in that regard I think I am doing fine. I could be better but it is still work in progress. The sad part is that among my black peers i am the lucky few. I literally saw people drop out of university because they could not afford taxi money. During exams they would sleep at the library to save money.

So explain to me the parent thing...as you can see here its about the individual. if you want to work, regardless of what your parents are, you'll make it.

This is the biggest load of BS that I have read in a while. tell that to kids who drop out of school because their parents cannot afford fees. Or those children that are born with under developed brain because their parents were drunks. You were born in a cushy and privileged environment in which your efforts can produce something tangible. Some poeple's efforts are expended in survival and they do not have the extra capacity for loft idea such as becoming a "certified network engineer" or getting an engineering degree. How myopic and short sighted are you?

 

[nightjar]

The economy of South Africa was open only for white men. They, thus, structured it in a way that further advantages them.

Until the Battle of Ulundi in 1879 the hinterland economy, which had been non existent for thousands of years, was only open to Zulus who made life miserable for everyone else. What came later can only be considered a huge improvement.

 

[nightjar]

So land in KZN in the areas granted to the Boers or English by Shaka and Dingane that is now considered tribal land was stolen by the Zulus from the Boers and English? Is there any procedure for them to make claims or claim restitution for their stolen land?

for example, the land between the Drakensberg in the west, the Thukela River in the north, the Indian Ocean in the east and the Mzimvubu River in the south?

Perhaps JZ783 could start by restoring all the land (south of the Thukela River as far as the Mzimvubu River in the Transkei) which Dingaan ceded to Piet Retief in 1838 prior to murdering him and his party.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ution-is-a-moral-and-economic-imperative-Zuma

 

[freddster]

Good for you and your family. Your comment rest on a number of false premises:

1. You assume that your family achieved what they did only because they were harder workers. You completely ignore that they lived at a time that was [-]conducive[/-](wrong word) tailored for the progression of one race. Of course such an environment will produce fruits for said race.
2. You are also narrating achievements that span generations. Black people have only been allowed free access into the main stream economy for a mere 2 decades.
3. You are giving me anecdotes and that is not necessarily reflective of the whole population
4. You are assuming that I am a "cry baby, who couldn't make it". I hold a 4 year engineering(electrical) degree(Soon to be masters'). I earn decent money to afford property, a BMW take my child to Montessori, support my mother and siblings. My wife runs her own business which we acquired lat year. So in that regard I think I am doing fine. I could be better but it is still work in progress. The sad part is that among my black peers i am the lucky few. I literally saw people drop out of university because they could not afford taxi money. During exams they would sleep at the library to save money.

This is the biggest load of BS that I have read in a while. tell that to kids who drop out of school because their parents cannot afford fees. Or those children that are born with under developed brain because their parents were drunks. You were born in a cushy and privileged environment in which your efforts can produce something tangible. Some poeple's efforts are expended in survival and they do not have the extra capacity for loft idea such as becoming a "certified network engineer" or getting an engineering degree. How myopic and short sighted are you?

No, I'm replying to your claim that you need successfull parents to be successfull. So, where were your parents during apartheid. You were telling us its taylored for whites? So, say you didn't have successfull parents, with the horrible apartheid also against you, how did you get it right to make university, going for a degree, and masters...it doesn't look like the past treated you too badly.

 

[Seriously]

The economy of South Africa was open only for white men. They, thus, structured it in a way that further advantages them.

Just like DR Verwoerd structured Maths and Science only for white men to only further advantages them? LOL.

When were you in Russia? They are the brainwashing specialists not?

 

[Spizz]

Good for you and your family. Your comment rest on a number of false premises:

1. You assume that your family achieved what they did only because they were harder workers. You completely ignore that they lived at a time that was [-]conducive[/-](wrong word) tailored for the progression of one race. Of course such an environment will produce fruits for said race.
2. You are also narrating achievements that span generations. Black people have only been allowed free access into the main stream economy for a mere 2 decades.
3. You are giving me anecdotes and that is not necessarily reflective of the whole population
4. You are assuming that I am a "cry baby, who couldn't make it". I hold a 4 year engineering(electrical) degree(Soon to be masters'). I earn decent money to afford property, a BMW take my child to Montessori, support my mother and siblings. My wife runs her own business which we acquired lat year. So in that regard I think I am doing fine. I could be better but it is still work in progress. The sad part is that among my black peers i am the lucky few. I literally saw people drop out of university because they could not afford taxi money. During exams they would sleep at the library to save money.

This is the biggest load of BS that I have read in a while. tell that to kids who drop out of school because their parents cannot afford fees. Or those children that are born with under developed brain because their parents were drunks. You were born in a cushy and privileged environment in which your efforts can produce something tangible. Some poeple's efforts are expended in survival and they do not have the extra capacity for loft idea such as becoming a "certified network engineer" or getting an engineering degree. How myopic and short sighted are you?

I again agree with you on a number of points and understand completely the privilege that job reservation gave white people historically and puts them in a somewhat inherited privileged position today.

Where I don't agree with you is with your generalizations and assumptions based on race, when you yourself have had the privilege of an education and I have seen many many white people drop out or be unable to afford further education in the first place.

Why you would think that this is a race issue is beyond me when you clearly made it happen. So either you are from a privileged family ( how did that happen what with apartheid and all) or you are not in which case you made it happen yourself.

Personally, I made it happen myself as a mature student with a wife and small children already and no rich family to help me.

Where does race come into our situations?

 

[ngwe23]

No, I'm replying to your claim that you need successfull parents to be successfull.

But I never said that, instead i said "The biggest determiner to you prospects in life is your parents". Which basically means that if your parents are well of your chances of making it are exponentially higher. If you parents are poor you will most likely be poor as well. There are always exceptions but this is true.

 

[ngwe23]

Just like DR Verwoerd structured Maths and Science only for white men to only further advantages them? LOL.

When were you in Russia? They are the brainwashing specialists not?

how you have not been banned from this forum with statements like this is shocking. But then again this is myBB.

 

[maumau]

how you have not been banned from this forum with statements like this is shocking. But then again this is myBB.

What do you see about his statement that deserves the ban hammer ngwe23?

 

[Seriously]

how you have not been banned from this forum with statements like this is shocking. But then again this is myBB.

Shame.. Maybe you are a bit uninformed but that was a statement made by an education minister of sorts.

http://www.arthurkemp.com/2012/03/difficult-i-maths-and-i-science-is.html

And the "gem" is? Well, although you and I would not have guessed it, the reason who so many black pupils in the South African province of KwaZulu-Natal fail mathematics and science is because "Verwoerd made these subjects difficult," according to that province's education minister Senzo Mchunu.

 

[R13...]

What do you see about his statement that deserves the ban hammer ngwe23?

Maybe ngwe doesn't know the sarcastic comment meant to make fun of a comment some government minister made a while back. Seriously is not innocent but that's not cause to ban a guy.

 

[ngwe23]

Where I don't agree with you is with your generalizations and assumptions based on race, when you yourself have had the privilege of an education and I have seen many many white people drop out or be unable to afford further education in the first place.

It is not possible not to generalize. Do you want me to talk specifics? How do i go about doing that.

Why you would think that this is a race issue is beyond me when you clearly made it happen. So either you are from a privileged family ( how did that happen what with apartheid and all) or you are not in which case you made it happen yourself.

Because I am the exception and not the norm. on the other hand white people generally, not always, have the resources to make sure that their children are setup.

Personally, I made it happen myself as a mature student with a wife and small children already and no rich family to help me.

It is not possible to make it by yourself. Did your parents not play a part in your life as all. Did they not feed you, clothe you, provide a security for you pay your fees. What do you mean you "made it happen myself". Your success in not exclusively down to you, but there are other contributory external factors as well.

Where does race come into our situations?

because race is correlated to education levels, income, employment levels etc

 

[Spizz]

Shame.. Maybe you are a bit uninformed but that was a statement made by an education minister of sorts.

http://www.arthurkemp.com/2012/03/difficult-i-maths-and-i-science-is.html

Oh my hat. That is shocking.

 

[Suspect99]

Good for you and your family. Your comment rest on a number of false premises:

1. You assume that your family achieved what they did only because they were harder workers. You completely ignore that they lived at a time that was [-]conducive[/-](wrong word) tailored for the progression of one race. Of course such an environment will produce fruits for said race.
2. You are also narrating achievements that span generations. Black people have only been allowed free access into the main stream economy for a mere 2 decades.
3. You are giving me anecdotes and that is not necessarily reflective of the whole population
4. You are assuming that I am a "cry baby, who couldn't make it". I hold a 4 year engineering(electrical) degree(Soon to be masters'). I earn decent money to afford property, a BMW take my child to Montessori, support my mother and siblings. My wife runs her own business which we acquired lat year. So in that regard I think I am doing fine. I could be better but it is still work in progress. The sad part is that among my black peers i am the lucky few. I literally saw people drop out of university because they could not afford taxi money. During exams they would sleep at the library to save money.

This is the biggest load of BS that I have read in a while. tell that to kids who drop out of school because their parents cannot afford fees. Or those children that are born with under developed brain because their parents were drunks. You were born in a cushy and privileged environment in which your efforts can produce something tangible. Some poeple's efforts are expended in survival and they do not have the extra capacity for loft idea such as becoming a "certified network engineer" or getting an engineering degree. How myopic and short sighted are you?

My family is Indian. My grandparents arrived from India with nothing but the clothes on their back. They were treated like dirt by the government. I recall a stories like when they went to buy coke at a shop they were given warm cokes from the shelf while the white guy in a separate line got given one from from the fridge. That's just one small example.

They started up a small corner shop.
Still struggled. Got kicked out of their home due to the group areas act. My dad is still bitter about that.
However, they then plowed every single cent they had into their kids education.
Now my dad had a surveying diploma and started his own business that employs over 40 people. My uncle is a mechanical engineer. My 1 aunt has a PhD in biology the other is a maths tutor and the other a masters in HR.

My grandparents are still poor though. The family looks after them.

My moms side of the family is a similar story. 3 doctors 1 engineer and a surveyor.

It can be done even if you are disadvantaged by the system.

 

[ngwe23]

Shame.. Maybe you are a bit uninformed but that was a statement made by an education minister of sorts.

http://www.arthurkemp.com/2012/03/difficult-i-maths-and-i-science-is.html

Wow, my bad. I wasn't aware.

 

[Seriously]

Wow, my bad. I wasn't aware.

Now I hope you also see the hopelessness of believing in the current racist regime in power!

 

[Seriously]

Maybe ngwe doesn't know the sarcastic comment meant to make fun of a comment some government minister made a while back. Seriously is not innocent but that's not cause to ban a guy.

What am I guilty of?

 

[ngwe23]

My family is Indian. My grandparents arrived from India with nothing but the clothes on their back. They were treated like dirt by the government. I recall a stories like when they went to buy coke at a shop they were given warm cokes from the shelf while the white guy in a separate line got given one from from the fridge. That's just one small example.

They started up a small corner shop.
Still struggled. Got kicked out of their home due to the group areas act. My dad is still bitter about that.
However, they then plowed every single cent they had into their kids education.
Now my dad had a surveying diploma and started his own business that employs over 40 people. My uncle is a mechanical engineer. My 1 aunt has a PhD in biology the other is a maths tutor and the other a masters in HR.

My grandparents are still poor though. The family looks after them.

My moms side of the family is a similar story. 3 doctors 1 engineer and a surveyor.

It can be done even if you are disadvantaged by the system.

No one said it cannot done. There are many black people with similar stories but they are the exceptions and not the norm. Their path is made to be unduly difficult simply because they are of a different race and why should that be acceptable. Why do you keep making excuses for an non level playing field? it makes no sense to me. Is it an absurd notion to ask that a baby that is born black have the same opportunities in life as a baby born white? What is unreasonable about that?

 

[Spizz]

It is not possible not to generalize. Do you want me to talk specifics? How do i go about doing that.


Because I am the exception and not the norm. on the other hand white people generally, not always, have the resources to make sure that their children are setup.

My goodness, what absolute nonsense. And what a hypocrite you are. A well off and well educated black man telling us how white people have resources but blacks don't.

It is not possible to make it by yourself. Did your parents not play a part in your life as all. Did they not feed you, clothe you, provide a security for you pay your fees. What do you mean you "made it happen myself". Your success in not exclusively down to you, but there are other contributory external factors as well.

I was referring to further education. That was down to me and wife, who both worked also. My parents didn't have money.

because race is correlated to education levels, income, employment levels etc

Clearly not. I left school at 15 and only returned to study in my mid 20s when I could afford to after working and saving. You sound like your mummy and daddy paid for yours.