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[rwenzori]

And who says we are waiting for handouts? We are working even harder to recover lost ground.

R13... chappie wants "redress". AKA free money. AKA handouts.

 

[ngwe23]

R13... chappie wants "redress". AKA free money. AKA handouts.

Your words, not mine.

 

[rwenzori]

Did metric count when we were discriminated against? It is funny that people that benefited from skin colour alone suddenly want merit to count and for skin colour not to be a factor. Skin colour is a factor because your forefathers made it a factor.

So black skin colour means you can be without merit and get some of this "redress" stuff? Try Foschini for new dresses.

 

[R13...]

C'mon, stop ducking. What is this "system"? Who gets what? On what basis?

It is obvious I'm referring to EE/BEE but modified to take account of a beneficiary's existing conditions. It isn't perfect as it doesn't prevent racial preferences on both sides. No system as perfect as you well know which is why you're here decrying equity laws.

I wasn't ducking I simply took you for being willfully obtuse as my point is clear if you follow the conversation

 

[R13...]

R13... chappie wants "redress". AKA free money. AKA handouts.

No I am not talking charity. I am talking about leveling the playing field.

 

[ngwe23]

So black skin colour means you can be without merit and get some of this "redress" stuff? Try Foschini for new dresses.

Yes, just like your fore fathers didnt need merit as long as they had right skin colour.

 

[rwenzori]

It is obvious I'm referring to EE/BEE but modified to take account of a beneficiary's existing conditions. It isn't perfect as it doesn't prevent racial preferences on both sides. No system as perfect as you well know which is why you're here decrying equity laws.

I wasn't ducking I simply took you for being willfully obtuse as my point is clear if you follow the conversation

Well we're on 99 pages - can't follow everything, every "nuance" LOL.

Your dream is impractical, totally. And, while we are about it, piss on EE/BEE/BBEE/BBBBEEEEE/AA. There are ways of improving the employment and financial situations of all, but this black ANC govt is clueless. Votem Out!

 

[rwenzori]

Yes, just like your fore fathers didnt need merit as long as they had right skin colour.

So discrimination on the basis of race must continue foreva and foreva amen?? Stuff that for a bad idea.

 

[ngwe23]

So discrimination on the basis of race must continue foreva and foreva amen?? Stuff that for a bad idea.

No it must continue until the playing ground is level.

 

[Xarog]

Did metric count when we were discriminated against? It is funny that people that benefited from skin colour alone suddenly want merit to count and for skin colour not to be a factor.

I am not one of those people, and even if I were, I would still be able to recognise the wrongness of such behaviour.

Skin colour is a factor because your forefathers made it a factor.

My forefathers did nothing of the sort. And I don't take kindly to having guilt assigned to them by virtue of their presumed skin colour alone.

 

[Xarog]

Yes, just like your fore fathers didnt need merit as long as they had right skin colour.

But they did need merit.

You wouldn't see some petrolhead from Brakpan running a bank in the Jo'burg CBD.

And you needed to do your job, too; if you were lazy or you cost the company money, you were thrown out on your arse.

 

[ngwe23]

I am not one of those people, and even if I were, I would still be able to recognise the wrongness of such behaviour.

ooh but you did. No one acknowledges their white privilege any more.

My forefathers did nothing of the sort. And I don't take kindly to having guilt assigned to them by virtue of their presumed skin colour alone.

Perhaps they were not doing the hands on work of brutalizing blacks, but they benefited from a system that was designed to keep them at the top of the social ladder. They passed on that privilege to you.

 

[biometrics]

ooh but you did. No one acknowledges their white privilege any more.

Perhaps they were not doing the hands on work of brutalizing blacks, but they benefited from a system that was designed to keep them at the top of the social ladder. They passed on that privilege to you.

Nonsense.

 

[rwenzori]

No it must continue until the playing ground is level.

Cool! So when I have a chance of a job in govt. we might be getting a bit more level then.

 

[ngwe23]

But they did need merit.

You wouldn't see some petrolhead from Brakpan running a bank in the Jo'burg CBD.

And you needed to do your job, too; if you were lazy or you cost the company money, you were thrown out on your arse.

No they merited nothing. Cushy and high paying jobs were reserved for them. The rest of the post intentionally distorts what BEE is about. We are also not advocating that you take a car mechanic and make him run a bank. Duh.... We want blacks that are qualified to get preference over whites of similar qualification.

 

[ngwe23]

Nonsense.

Truth.

 

[biometrics]

Truth.

No.

 

[Xarog]

ooh but you did. No one acknowledges their white privilege any more.

I started a thread on it not too long ago in the philosophical debate section. You are welcome to peruse it.

(http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/782565-White-Privilege)

And I have already dealt with the philosophical arguments regarding the notion of "white privilege" earlier in this thread when I pointed out that such thinking is based faulty conclusions derived from critical theory. If racism is wrong, then any action which reinforces the notion that racial distinctions are tangible must by extension also be wrong.

Perhaps they were not doing the hands on work of brutalizing blacks, but they benefited from a system that was designed to keep them at the top of the social ladder. They passed on that privilege to you.

You're shifting the goalposts now. And even you hadn't been, that still does not justify collective punishment and guilt. You simply do not get to tell a man that he is guilty of something that he was not personally in control of. I cannot justifiably hold you guilty for the fact that the sun rises.

 

[Xarog]

No they merited nothing. Cushy and high paying jobs were reserved for them.

Sure, there was an exclusionary process involved. But you still had to do the "cushy" job. And believe it or not, your boss expected you to do your damn job.

The rest of the post intentionally distorts what BEE is about. We are also not advocating that you take a car mechanic and make him run a bank. Duh.... We want blacks that are qualified to get preference over whites of similar qualification.

Ah yes, but the whites are privileged, remember? So we need to accomodate for that in the qualifications to make it fair, don't we? And politically, if the reason for failure can be blamed on the lack of privilege, so much the better, no?

 

[ngwe23]

I pointed out that such thinking is based faulty conclusions derived from critical theory.

Thanks for proving my point. It is amazing the length you would go to just to maintain the status quo of white people dominating blacks.

You're shifting the goalposts now. And even you hadn't been, that still does not justify collective punishment and guilt. You simply do not get to tell a man that he is guilty of something that he was not personally in control of. I cannot justifiably hold you guilty for the fact that the sun rises.

BEE is not a punishment. It was setup to advance the prospects of black people. Enough with the butthurt already.