The SA Politics Thread Part 2

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PrimeSteak

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Would be awesome if Carl's movement had the capacity to pull RET people out of the ANC and into the new movement, but I doubt he has much clout among the RETs who remain in the ANC.
Let's play along with this, RET people leave ANC for AfriForum: RET Edition, do you honestly think ANC will improve in any way?

Lemme answer for you, NO.
 

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Let's play along with this, RET people leave ANC for AfriForum: RET Edition, do you honestly think ANC will improve in any way?

Lemme answer for you, NO.
I would imagine these RET piggies will come begging at the feet of the ANC once they realize no one wants them.
 

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Let's play along with this, RET people leave ANC for AfriForum: RET Edition, do you honestly think ANC will improve in any way?

Lemme answer for you, NO.
Improve is not the right word, but if RETs leave the ANC, a return to a Zuma-style government becomes a much smaller probability.
 

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Improve is not the right word, but if RETs leave the ANC, a return to a Zuma-style government becomes a much smaller probability.
That could be even smaller if ANC is thrown out of government...
 

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A self created problem, Telkom has been a player for years in the industry, they don't need contractors to do anything for them, they have the capacity both in manpower and skills to do anything they want, they have their old infrastructure to run the fibre on, poles or underground channels.

But because everyone keeps feeding the subcontracting monster this is where we end up, entitlement that leads to massive inefficiencies that impacts service delivery.
 

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A self created problem, Telkom has been a player for years in the industry, they don't need contractors to do anything for them, they have the capacity both in manpower and skills to do anything they want, they have their old infrastructure to run the fibre on, poles or underground channels.

But because everyone keeps feeding the subcontracting monster this is where we end up, entitlement that leads to massive inefficiencies that impacts service delivery.
But the question is why did Telkom insist on a "local subcontractor" tho, if they can do what they want?

"Time to eat" maybe?
 

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But the question is why did Telkom insist on a "local subcontractor" tho, if they can do what they want?

"Time to eat" maybe?
The local contractor is probably connected to someone important in the company. It's the in thing nowadays, Telkom, Eskom, City Power and everyone, they have these service providers they have on standby, but they also have all the permanent employees who are paid every month, instead of using them all the jobs are directed to the contractors while their employees sit idle and do nothing.

The inefficiencies in that are massive because the dispatchers would rather hog the jobs and not dispatch them until they can find a contractor to give the job to, who will in turn give the something to keep the jobs coming, in that rare instance when they cannot you will be surprised to see a company employee pitching up to do the job.

It's a massive racket of corruption.
 

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Employment agency vs Efficiency and what your priorities should be as a state .... all about the policy you put in place from the top...to unlock the vision you have ... the whole talk is rather insightful, and yes agree with the Singapore model and before anyone brings up.... no I do not agree with the way the Helen went about articulating her perspective on Singapore models to success...
 

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Unless we see a surprise like in JHB, the coalition would survive the MONC.

I mean the coalition consists of basically all the UF parties, DA, ASA, VF+, and ACDP (they alone have 50% of the council). So even if COPE goes rogue again, it'll be a deadlock.
 

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Unless we see a surprise like in JHB, the coalition would survive the MONC.

I mean the coalition consists of basically all the UF parties, DA, ASA, VF+, and ACDP (they alone have 50% of the council). So even if COPE goes rogue again, it'll be a deadlock.
My prediction is that ActionSA are going to take a different approach, they will want the DA to put in a different person as a Mayor, they will claim to have lost confidence in Williams. If the DA does not accede they will probably abstain.
 

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My prediction is that ActionSA are going to take a different approach, they will want the DA to put in a different person as a Mayor, they will claim to have lost confidence in Williams. If the DA does not accede they will probably abstain.
Yup. Either that or they'll hold the line.
 
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