The SA Politics Thread Part 2

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Arzy

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Paywalled. But the title says enough.

The DA is very good at making noise and getting headlines, less so on actual delivery where they haven't managed to take over.

Can't say that Ekurhuleni is in a better state, my experience is that we're worse off so far.
 

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I've never understood this phenomenon of "clever black".
What the **** are you trying to say tho, are you saying black people are stupid by default or...? A self-flagellating comment? I'll never understand how the minds of RET Azanians work...
Yes, that is exactly it ..--making the distinction between those that educated and following a western outlook and those that are stuck in the traditional outlook...(yet to find the genesis of the term) the latter perceived to be backward....same for the term cheeseboy, -remember ethnic groupings are never homogeneous - there are intra dynamics -of distinction- at play...

As for the musician....it was the Zuma years...that was setting up the mess we sitting with...Eskom, was keeping the lights on at all cost...burning money, not doing maintenance...creating an illusion meanwhile....
 

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Oh please man, CIC is angry that DA will march, he feels DA is stealing his trademark move away.

LMAO
He's saying march to the Union Buildings we'll join you. Didn't he march with the DA against Zuma? The times he called him "Shower head"/"Butternut head", the #ZumaMustFall protests.
 

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Too early IMO but a strong opposition (even if cobbled up unity) can only be good for our democracy. Keeps a check on monopoly.
True, I was hoping ActionSA would play a more prominent role in that stronger opposition but unfortunately they seem very clueless, I think a succession plan is necessary because Mashaba could be running out of ideas, Ian not impressed with the type of opposition he has been so far.
 

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True, I was hoping ActionSA would play a more prominent role in that stronger opposition but unfortunately they seem very clueless, I think a succession plan is necessary because Mashaba could be running out of ideas, Ian not impressed with the type of opposition he has been so far.
Yeah and unfortunately, we seem to be heading for a 2 party state. I really doubt if EFF would make any headway unless they rile up their supporters close to election.

In any case, a vote to DA sounds a decent call to me.
 

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Yeah and unfortunately, we seem to be heading for a 2 party state. I really doubt if EFF would make any headway unless they rile up their supporters close to election.

In any case, a vote to DA sounds a decent call to me.
EFF is not going anywhere, they might not grow at any meaningful rate but they will always be there. I still think ActionSA will see some decent growth but nowhere close to the potential they have.

There was a time I also thought voting for the DA was a good thing, in fact I did just that during the Zuma Presidency, I no longer feel the same since the great comeback of Zille, and will probably not feel the same for a long time to come.
 

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Yeah and unfortunately, we seem to be heading for a 2 party state.
How do you figure?

We're heading for coalitions. It's impossible with a system like ours to only have two parties run the show like in UK or US.
 

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There was a time I also thought voting for the DA was a good thing, in fact I did just that during the Zuma Presidency
You did? For real? Wow. I'm Ramashocked rn.

But now my question is did you do both terms or just 2014 or 2019?
 

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but a strong opposition (even if cobbled up unity) can only be good for our democracy. Keeps a check on monopoly.
Like @Priapus and I agreed on long ago a coalition (preferably UF, I will explain to you below seeing that you're new) will be the best for SA.
Not only will more sections of SA be represented in government, but it'll allow for more accountability than just a one-party gov. It'll also allow for better decision/policy making too.

UF - United Front (coined by yours truly): Usually DA-led coalitions (but it could differ), consisting of DA, ASA, VF+, IFP, ACDP (and some other parties now and then) and usually excluding EFF.
 

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You did? For real? Wow. I'm Ramashocked rn.

But now my question is did you do both terms or just 2014 or 2019?
The Zuma term started in 2009, not 2014, I voted for the DA in the 2009 election and the 2014 one as well as the 2016 local election.
 

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EFF is not going anywhere, they might not grow at any meaningful rate but they will always be there.
Yeah, they're the thorn in the side. I don't see them breaking 12 -13% in 2024.
I still think ActionSA will see some decent growth but nowhere close to the potential they have.
Maybe. I think they'll strike either 5% or perhaps a COPE and get 7%. But this thing of getting sommer above 10% in their first election is too unrealistic.
 

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The Zuma term started in 2009, not 2014, I voted for the DA in the 2009 election and the 2014 one as well as the 2016 local election.
****, yeah forgot about 2009.

That's super curious. I'm truly surprised.

Lemme guess a vote for Rama in 2019 then? :sneaky:
 
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