The SA Politics Thread Part 2

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PrimeSteak said:
I know but what I fail to get is how you can proudly say you'll vote ANC, in the current situation we're in, thx to ANC.

The economy is in a death spiral, unemployment and poverty rates are at breaking point, basic education is in shambles, we're on the edge of a potential blackout, service delivery is gone, and corruption and crime are rife...

Don't you think it is time for change?

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Because there is absolutely nothing wrong with voting for any party of your liking with your choice being informed by your own beliefs, not the popular narrative on MyBb.

Yes, most definitely a lot of things needs to change.

Because it took a while but Zille has done everyone a favour by showing us exactly who the DA are, big on rhetoric, less on action to those who need it most. They are more sympathetic to the right wingers than anybody else, that's who they believe is the core of their party, they hid it well previously but this time they are not pretending anymore.
 
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yebocan said:
two votes you say...never knew it was that close... this mess was long in the making - before the dawn of democracy,, we just the fortunate generation living through it...
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Well I don't know the other millions

Guess they are like former NP voters now
 
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ToxicBunny said:
I am very intrigued as to why this is your primary goal?

Surely it is obvious that the ANC can't run a country, they have shown that comprehensively. I get not voting for the DA, but actively trying to keep them out of government seems entirely fscking "cut your nose off to spite your face".
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Actively keeping them out means an opposition of my choice might finally emerge that I would be able to vote for, I thought that was going to be ActionSA but clearly it's not, so voting for ActionSA is currently strengthening the DA and I would be damned if I knowingly did that.

Until then I will take my chances with the New Dawn.
 
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TheChamp said:
Actively keeping them out means an opposition of my choice might finally emerge that I would be able to vote for, I thought that was going to be ActionSA but clearly it's not, so voting for ActionSA is currently strengthening the DA and I would be damned if I knowingly did that.
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That logic I can generally buy in all honesty. Just does fall apart for me a bit when you claim you could end up voting for the ANC again rather than the DA.

For me, a vote for the DA is largely a vote for democracy, and getting the ANC out of power. If there were other credible options (and ActionSA is definitely not it) I would consider it, but for the moment the DA is the best of a bad bunch in terms of opposition parties, and currently are probably our best option to getting the ANC out of power or at least out of a complete majority.
 
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TheChamp said:
Because there is absolutely nothing wrong with voting for any party of your liking with your choice being informed by your own beliefs, not the popular narrative on MyBb.
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This isn't about popular narrative. It just doesn't make sense to me that you'd vote for the people who caused this shitshow?
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They are more sympathetic to the right wingers than anybody else, that's who they believe is the core of their party, they hid it well previously but this time they are not pretending anymore.
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Ah yes, the typical "DA RIGHT WING" meme. LMAO

Ok, I think we're done here.
 
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ToxicBunny said:
For me, a vote for the DA is largely a vote for democracy, and getting the ANC out of power. If there were other credible options (and ActionSA is definitely not it) I would consider it, but for the moment the DA is the best of a bad bunch in terms of opposition parties, and currently are probably our best option to getting the ANC out of power or at least out of a complete majority.
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Reasonable.

If there were other credible options (and ActionSA is definitely not it) I would consider it,
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Hell, even I considered splitting my vote between DA and ASA at one point, but I sure as hell won't share my vote with ASA anymore.
 
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PrimeSteak said:
Reasonable.


Hell, even I considered splitting my vote between DA and ASA at one point, but I sure as hell won't share my vote with ASA anymore.
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I think ASA had all the opportunity to be a credible opposition that somehow straddled the gap between the ANC and the DA, but they've bottled it largely in my opinion. Herman's closeness to the EFF is not something I will countenance in the slightest from an opposition party.
 
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PrimeSteak said:
I know but what I fail to get is how you can proudly say you'll vote ANC, in the current situation we're in, thx to ANC.

The economy is in a death spiral, unemployment and poverty rates are at breaking point, basic education is in shambles, we're on the edge of a potential blackout, service delivery is gone, and corruption and crime are rife...

Don't you think it is time for change?

Why?
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Racism...
 
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ToxicBunny said:
I think ASA had all the opportunity to be a credible opposition that somehow straddled the gap between the ANC and the DA, but they've bottled it largely in my opinion. Herman's closeness to the EFF is not something I will countenance in the slightest from an opposition party.
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Although the EFF thing was less of a major factor to me, the big thing to me is how they'd instantly turn on their coalition partners (especially DA) just to try and win some brownie points, at the cost of the coalition e.g. kwaDukuza, Kratos TSH and JHB collapse, also the constant petty playground fights with DA was just the nail in the coffin.

Example:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614210024460492800

So I agree they could've been something cool but...
 
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yebocan said:
agree, methinks ....CR thought that the ANC he inherited was the same caliber as the class of 1994...good ideas, almost no one to implement and execute....
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Then CR is way dumber than I even imagined :ROFL:
 
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