The SA Politics Thread Part 2

[Priapus]

Worst part is our the surrounding suburbs are run by the DA and the roads are still kak. They blame JRA for taking long to fix it instead of just doing it themselves...

It's not their responsibility to fix it. It's the JRA's mandate to maintain and fix our roads. Ward councillors can only beg JRA so much - but JRA does not answer to them.

 

[PrimeSteak]

we can hope and some may pray...but honestly some wishful thinking ... ...ANC will either just get above 50% or will go into coalition with a smaller party.,,....

No one will get a majority incl. ANC. (Even ANC has started preparing for coalitions in 2024)

But the second thing that you mention can happen, yes.

oddly enough the DA was on the right trajectory during the Mmusi experiment...building/forging trust , that would have started to convert, making up for the loss of the old guard with a broader new base...but some could just not get beyond not being in control...

If it was true, then they wouldn't have gotten only 20% in 2019, would they? Wouldn't they have gone up to 24 - 25%, if it were true?

 

[wingnut771]

It's not their responsibility to fix it. It's the JRA's mandate to maintain and fix our roads. Ward councillors can only beg JRA so much - but JRA does not answer to them.

Who do they answer to?

 

[Lufuno_]

Who do they answer to?

Under CoJ perhaps?. Unlikely that ward Councillors have any formal authority over JRA.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614930585780117506

The #DA in the Western Cape legislature announced that Wendy Kaizer-Philander will take over the reins as the new chief whip.

Paywalled.

Non-paywalled article:

Western Cape premier announces appointment of new chief whip in legislature | News24

Western Cape Premier and DA caucus leader Alan Winde has announced the appointment of Wendy Kaizer-Philander as the party's chief whip in the provincial legislature.

www.news24.com

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Themselves? Surely, they have to be after JRA to do it instead of party machinery ?

It's not their responsibility to fix it. It's the JRA's mandate to maintain and fix our roads. Ward councillors can only beg JRA so much - but JRA does not answer to them.

How are companies like Discovery doing it through Pothole Patrol?

A win for road users: Pothole Patrol seeks to plug even more gaps in Johannesburg tarmac | Life

Jo'burgers now have an easier way to report potholes, and have them fixed quickly.

www.news24.com

Yes it's within JRA's mandate but that doesn't mean it's ok to just blame instead of looking for solutions. DA blaming JRA doesn't help us as residents. We still have to drive on the kak roads.

Why can't they leverage off these private companies and then claim back from the city? Because it's too much work, that's why...

 

[Priapus]

Under CoJ perhaps?. Unlikely that ward Councillors have any formal authority over JRA.

They have no formal authority over any government department. They're the middle man between residents and the city and can assist in trying to get city departments to do their jobs and relay info to residents.

 

[Hotfuzz]

The ANC sets a very bad example to the people of SA and has essentially normalised lawlessness. Its that 'if they can do it why can't I' mentality. This is why SA has been captured by thugs and is the type of logic thats been engrained over the last 29 years. Going to take far longer to reverse engineer this if its even possible at all.

 

[yebocan]

No one will get a majority incl. ANC. (Even ANC has started preparing for coalitions in 2024)

But the second thing that you mention can happen, yes.

If it was true, then they wouldn't have gotten only 20% in 2019, would they? Wouldn't they have gone up to 24 - 25%, if it were true?

do not allow your critical thinking to be taken over by the usual political spin...how quickly to you erase the memory of our race issues in this country, how quickly do you than convert that into trust? -but the green shoots where starting... Do not think for a moment HZ does not realise and understand the consequence of her pivot...again, could not get over themselves, like most....politician being politician

 

[Priapus]

How are companies like Discovery doing it through Pothole Patrol?

A win for road users: Pothole Patrol seeks to plug even more gaps in Johannesburg tarmac | Life

Jo'burgers now have an easier way to report potholes, and have them fixed quickly.

www.news24.com

Yes it's within JRA's mandate but that doesn't mean it's ok to just blame instead of looking for solutions. DA blaming JRA doesn't help us as residents. We still have to drive on the kak roads.

Why can't they leverage off these private companies and then claim back from the city? Because it's too much work, that's why...

Because that's outside of their mandate. They don't (and shouldn't) deal with private companies. So, they are left begging the city to fix ****. That's all they can do.

 

[wingnut771]

Under CoJ perhaps?. Unlikely that ward Councillors have any formal authority over JRA.

You would think that being a Councillor in a Party that is in charge of council that runs the city would help.

I suspect JRA are all ANC agents and are just dragging their feet because they lost.

 

[Priapus]

I suspect JRA are all ANC agents and are just dragging their feet because they lost.

This is the bigger issue; yes CoJ is under a coalition now. But the various departments are all full with the same lazy, corrupt individuals.

 

[PrimeSteak]

do not allow your critical thinking to be taken over by the usual political spin...

It's simple really, the DA got 22% in 2014, 27% in 2016 and then 20% in 2019.

I reiterate. If it was going swell, what happened at the polls, then?

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614514105422946304

Do you guys think they'll actually listen? Or is it just another one of their polling gimmicks...?

I would go for the latter...

 

[Lufuno_]

You would think that being a Councillor in a Party that is in charge of council that runs the city would help.

I suspect JRA are all ANC agents and are just dragging their feet because they lost.

Key question to ask is when did the party took charge of council ? There must be huge backlog in many areas and push back (or intentional go slow) from contractors could be one of many reasons.

 

[ToxicBunny]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614514105422946304

Do you guys think they'll actually listen? Or is it just another one of their polling gimmicks...?

I would go for the latter...

Polling Gimmick in my opinion...

 

[PrimeSteak]

Key question to ask is when did the party took charge of council ?

You mean the UF coalition? Early last year. There was a coup by ANC and allies around September/October.

 

[yebocan]

It's simple really, the DA got 22% in 2014, 27% in 2016 and then 20% in 2019.

I reiterate. If it was going swell, what happened at the polls, then?

I would assume 7% decrease was the old base leaving it, as the DA was pivoting to creating a new broader base... and not pandering to their needs ... and the knee jerk reaction, dump the Mmusi project, bring back a right learning HZ to shore up the old money/support that had left.. and you guys wonder why the majority of the electorate does not trust the DA. A couple years more of Mmusi + the missteps the ANC would go on to make...= 2019 would have been an coalition government scenario...

 

[Lufuno_]

You mean the UF coalition? Early last year. There was a coup by ANC and allies around September/October.

UF = United front? Is that what it is called now? In any case, not enough time to fix things. Needs at least 1 continuous year to get some traction.

p.s. Oh - you coined it then. Cool. I doubt if DA would be happy to be labelled as UF.

 

[PrimeSteak]

UF = United front? Is that what it is called now? In any case, not enough time to fix things. Needs at least 1 continuous year to get some traction.

UF - United Front (coined by yours truly): Usually DA-led coalitions (but it could differ), consisting of DA, ASA, VF+, IFP, ACDP (and some other parties now and then) and usually excluding EFF.