The SA Politics Thread Part 2

[ToxicBunny]

If an appointment is made today and you go to court to challenge its constitutionality then it's possible that such an appointment can be reversed, in this case that won't be applicable because it would be impossible to retrospectively apply the ruling without prejudicing the beneficiaries.

So the DA is just full of the usual nonsense, no one is going to lose their job, if the ruling finds against the practice of cadre deployment it will be applicable from now going forward.

I generally agree with you about it prejudicing the beneficiaries, though for me thats less of an consideration and for me the bigger consideration is just gutting the public service even if the current incumbents are not suitable for the position.

Just pondering on the possible legal ramifications which is what I think the DA (or someone) is also doing. They may be spinning it a bit more than the reality would suggest, but it is still a legal possibility.

 

[TheChamp]

I generally agree with you about it prejudicing the beneficiaries, though for me thats less of an consideration and for me the bigger consideration is just gutting the public service even if the current incumbents are not suitable for the position.

Just pondering on the possible legal ramifications which is what I think the DA (or someone) is also doing. They may be spinning it a bit more than the reality would suggest, but it is still a legal possibility.

It can only be a problem for those who had dinners at Luthuli House and the job offers were made there, if the DA can prove that this particular person was well aware that they were appointed under dodgy circumstances, that will then have to done on a case by case basis and not in a blanket manner, which I suspect would be a massive chore, remember how difficult it was to get rid of Hlaudi? They had to resort to some creative means to get him out.

In most cases how it was done was still legalized, the ANC would talk to the board and the board would appoint the person.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

put UDM, COPE and ASA in the bottom list also and maybe ACDP.

No idea who BOSA, Rise Mzansi and UIM are, so they can also go on the bottom list.

Think it's Mmusi's party...

 

[wingnut771]

Think it's Mmusi's party...

Yeah, nobody likes him.

 

[ghaye]

If the said cadres do not have the required skills to be in the position they need to go. If they are in fact capable, the political interfering needs to stop and they be allowed to get on with their job. Is this possible? How would it be policed?

 

[TheChamp]

If the said cadres do not have the required skills to be in the position they need to go. If they are in fact capable, the political interfering needs to stop and they be allowed to get on with their job. Is this possible? How would it be policed?

It is going to continue just as before, all the ruling would be able to achieve is making sure its not done publicly.

 

[PrimeSteak]

but the actual policy and process needs to be kicked to the curb and the ANC needs to get the fsck out of the way of public service appointments.

Definitely.

What could be a vaguely amusing approach would be to implement a political party quota, so if the ANC has 52% of the vote, they should only be able to have ANC members occupying 52% of positions in the public service

Anyway, if I could remember correctly from a bill DA tabled to Parly, I don't remember if it's been swatted down yet or what, but if you're an incumbent (I think after the Bill activates) you have two choices:

Either cease party membership/vacate party leadership or leave the post.

 

[PrimeSteak]

So the DA is just full of the usual nonsense, no one is going to lose their job, if the ruling finds against the practice of cadre deployment it will be applicable from now going forward.

And that's not a good thing DA is fighting for?

 

[TheChamp]

And that's not a good thing DA is fighting for?

I am sure we've had this discussion before.

 

[PrimeSteak]

I am sure we've had this discussion before.

Yeah. Just saying.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617802904928391168

 

[TheChamp]

Yeah. Just saying.

It will be ineffective as a means to stop cadre deployment, the only thing it's good for is for the DA politics.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617798668140314625

 

[PrimeSteak]

It will be ineffective as a means to stop cadre deployment, the only thing it's good for is for the DA politics.

At least, everyone will be on the same page that:

cadre deployment is unconstitutional and wrong

A symbolic win against ANC if you will.

The DA did table a bill somewhere last year to implement changes/make amendments to the law to stop the said deployment, but will it pass? (I think we talked about the bill last time, but I can't find it rn)

 

[TheChamp]

At least, everyone will be on the same page that:

A symbolic win against ANC if you will.

The DA did table a bill somewhere last year to implement changes/make amendments to the law to stop the said deployment, but will it pass? (I think we talked about the bill last time, but I can't find it rn)

Yeah, that is like saying killing people is wrong, it doesn't do anything as far as stopping the act.

If the DA was serious about stopping cadre deployment it wouldn't be doing cadre deployment to begin with, all their interested in is the political mileage this case is going to bring them, which of course is not a bad thing, but that is politics that is not helping anyone besides the DA.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Public Protector's office completes Phala Phala investigation | News24

The Office of the Public Protector has completed its Phala Phala investigation and an interim report has been drafted.

www.news24.com

Looking forward to see what they'll say.

 

[PrimeSteak]

A POSTCARD FROM AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: ‘Simplistic and infantile’ to demand Russia’s withdrawal from Ukraine, says Pandor after meeting Lavrov

Perhaps the real reason that Pandor did not repeat her earlier call on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine is that the original call on February 24 last year apparently angered Russia and President Cyril Ramaphosa.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

International Relations and Cooperation Minister Naledi Pandor said it would have been “simplistic and infantile” to have demanded from her Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov that Russia should withdraw its military from Ukraine.


And so, Pandor said, she had not called on him to do that when they met in Pretoria on Monday.

How unreasonable to tell someone who invaded someone else for no good reason to GTFO of said country... Shem.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617811853492768768

 

[ghaye]

Yeah, that is like saying killing people is wrong, it doesn't do anything as far as stopping the act.

If the DA was serious about stopping cadre deployment it wouldn't be doing cadre deployment to begin with, all their interested in is the political mileage this case is going to bring them, which of course is not a bad thing, but that is politics that is not helping anyone besides the DA.

Correct, but there is a law against killing people which means the police can investigate and charge somebody. When that starts happening to the cadres we will see improvement in this country. (Notice I did not specify ANC cadres here!)

 

[TheChamp]

Correct, but there is a law against killing people which means the police can investigate and charge somebody. When that starts happening to the cadres we will see improvement in this country. (Notice I did not specify ANC cadres here!)

You can always kill them in secret and never get caught, that's what is going to happen now, the ANC would no longer have their cadre deployment committee, they can no longer hold their cadre deployment meetings, (in public).

They will have to find discrete ways to deploy their cadres that would not arouse suspicion, like just declaring their cadre the best person for the job and appointing them over everyone just like how the DA is going about it, it's just a little inconvenience at most.