The SA Politics Thread Part 2

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Priapus said:
It means the judge needs to give it some thought.

If the DA win this; what does it mean for SA / ANC?
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More importantly, what does it mean for the DA.

You can bet on the ANC scrutinizing every DA appointment, and there will be this constant back and forth fingerpointing by whoever isn't governing about appointing cadres by whoever is governing.

It's about to become even more of a clown show than it already is...
 
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Mike Hoxbig said:
More importantly, what does it mean for the DA.

You can bet on the ANC scrutinizing every DA appointment, and there will be this constant back and forth fingerpointing by whoever isn't governing about appointing cadres by whoever is governing.

It's about to become even more of a clown show than it already is...
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The DA has been practising the same cadre deployment, to their credit they were bright enough not to have a policy about it.

But it doesn't mean much to the DA or the ANC, the policy being deemed unconstitutional is not a problem at all, just don't have a policy but continue to deploy your cadres.
 
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Priapus said:
If the DA win this; what does it mean for SA / ANC?
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Well, for starters it would now be official, determined by a court of law, that cadre deployment is unconstitutional and illegal (same as Zondo said).

Secondly, it would be a good win for DA and the opposition against ANC. Would also compound the fact that state capture managed to happen as it did with the help of the same illegal cadre deployment done by ANC.

Essentially DA proven right, ANC condemned if DA wins.
 
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TheChamp said:
The DA has been practising the same cadre deployment, to their credit they were bright enough not to have a policy about it.

But it doesn't mean much to the DA or the ANC, the policy being deemed unconstitutional is not a problem at all, just don't have a policy but continue to deploy your cadres.
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Yeah the ANC will say they scrapped it and deploy their people anyway.

ANC and DA will constantly be in court accusing each other. The only losers are us who have to fund this circus...
 
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Hopefully after the sideshow is over the parties in parliament could sit down like adults and try to come up with real solutions to stop politicians influencing not political positions in government and state entities.
 
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Yeah the ANC will say they scrapped it and deploy their people anyway.

ANC and DA will constantly be in court accusing each other. The only losers are us who have to fund this circus...
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It's literally impossible to stop cadre deployment, the best we can hope for is at the very least to have qualified cadres being deployed, yes they can still go rogue but it's better than having a Hlaudi in a position of power.

I would start by setting fixed minimum requirements for posts that cannot be waived, currently we advertise posts, set the requirements but the politicians can influence for the requirements to be relaxed in order to accommodate their friends.
 
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Will be awesome if the judgement allows purging. Every time a new administration takes over, you purge all the old government employees and hire new ones. Only problem is that you can only fire them, not purge them properly.
 
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TheChamp said:
Hopefully after the sideshow is over the parties in parliament could sit down like adults and try to come up with real solutions to stop politicians influencing not political positions in government and state entities.
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The DA's bill still needs to be voted on...

But even if the opposition is united behind a solution (DA Bill or not), ANC would just go "unity and renewal" and shoot it down...
 
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The DA's bill still needs to be voted on...

But even if the opposition is united behind a solution (DA Bill or not), ANC would just go "unity and renewal" and shoot it down...
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It's also not going to help much to be honest, it's only applicable to the public service, I know the term could be deceiving but it simply means employees at national and provincial government, your DGs, head of departments, senior managers at various government departments.

It doesn't extend to municipalities, where the most jobs for pals is happening and impacting directly on service delivery. It doesn't address SOEs and SOCs because those are supposed to have boards that appoints people even when politically connected people are still appointed.

It's a mess and to truly deal with it you need to rise above politics and not just pass laws but also be opposed to the practise in principle, follow the principle not only to the letter of the law but also in the spirit.

I don't think the DA is doing that, they are still doing politics because it doesn't make much sense for people like the good Dr at JRA to have been appointed if they were truly committed to ending cadre deployment, your own appointments to be beyond reproach if you are to be taken seriously, you can then point at the ANC and they will have nothing to point back at, otherwise it's nothing else but good rhetoric.
 
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It's also not going to help much to be honest, it's only applicable to the public service, I know the term could be deceiving but it simply means employees at national and provincial government, your DGs, head of departments, senior managers at various government departments.

It doesn't extend to municipalities, where the most jobs for pals is happening and impacting directly on service delivery. It doesn't address SOEs and SOCs because those are supposed to have boards that appoints people even when politically connected people are still appointed.
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Maybe I'm not as high IQ as you are but don't municipality jobs and SOEs fall under public service?

Your municipal managers and head of departments of munis can count as well.

Cadre deployment is linked to all public sector non-political jobs, which incl. munis and SOEs.
 
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