The SA Politics Thread Part 2

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TheChamp said:
It's also not going to help much to be honest, it's only applicable to the public service, I know the term could be deceiving but it simply means employees at national and provincial government, your DGs, head of departments, senior managers at various government departments.

It doesn't extend to municipalities, where the most jobs for pals is happening and impacting directly on service delivery. It doesn't address SOEs and SOCs because those are supposed to have boards that appoints people even when politically connected people are still appointed.

It's a mess and to truly deal with it you need to rise above politics and not just pass laws but also be opposed to the practise in principle, follow the principle not only to the letter of the law but also in the spirit.

I don't think the DA is doing that, they are still doing politics because it doesn't make much sense for people like the good Dr at JRA to have been appointed if they were truly committed to ending cadre deployment, your own appointments to be beyond reproach if you are to be taken seriously, you can then point at the ANC and they will have nothing to point back at, otherwise it's nothing else but good rhetoric.
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We actually have all the laws we need. This is what state capture has eroded, the ability of the organs of state that should be eliminating these criminals to do just that. Remove the political protection and the whole house of cards will come tumbling down. Even more so when amnesty is offered for state witnesses.
 
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Maybe I'm not as high IQ as you are but don't municipality jobs and SOEs fall under public service?

Your municipal managers and head of departments of munis can count as well.

Cadre deployment is linked to all public sector non-political jobs, which incl. munis and SOEs.
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Not really, but as I said you might think so and it might look like the bill is really going to solve all our problems, the DA are most definitely going to bring what they are doing to our level because we might just see through the ruse.

This is the public service

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It's basically government and all its administration. You will see in the DA bill they keep on talking about the public service commission,

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It's all government at high level, policy implementation and all that, municipalities and SOEs are not part of that.

For an example heck the Act under which municipal managers are appointed and also check under what act are government DGs appointed you will see its not the same. It's like that to promote autonomy of the different government spheres, if you want to truly address the cadre deployment issue you need to address it everywhere.
 
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ghaye said:
We actually have all the laws we need. This is what state capture has eroded, the ability of the organs of state that should be eliminating these criminals to do just that. Remove the political protection and the whole house of cards will come tumbling down. Even more so when amnesty is offered for state witnesses.
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And you think making the policy unconstitutional is going to remove the political protection?

Of course we have the laws, but we also have politicians, and their main aim is to fool everyone into believing they are truly committed to upholding the law, meanwhile they do just enough to stay on the legal side of things.

Advertising a position with clearly stipulated qualification requirements, then waive or lower the qualifications to accommodate your friend over other deserving candidates, that's what our politicians do with laws, abuse them to further their agenda whike shouting at the other party not to do the same.
 
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TheChamp said:
Not really, but as I said you might think so and it might look like the bill is really going to solve all our problems, the DA are most definitely going to bring what they are doing to our level because we might just see through the ruse.

This is the public service

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www.dpsa.gov.za

It's basically government and all its administration. You will see in the DA bill they keep on talking about the public service commission,

Home

www.psc.gov.za

It's all government at high level, policy implementation and all that, municipalities and SOEs are not part of that.

For an example heck the Act under which municipal managers are appointed and also check under what act are government DGs appointed you will see its not the same. It's like that to promote autonomy of the different government spheres, if you want to truly address the cadre deployment issue you need to address it everywhere.
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Ok cool. But at least we agree on the cadre deployment problem and yes, solutions should be applied elsewhere as well.
 
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TheChamp said:
Ramaphosa has achieved in 3.5 years what Zuma could not in 9...

Sometimes the influencers get too transparent.
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He meant in riling the people of SA up into a united front against ANC.

It took 9 years to do so under Zuma, 3.5 for Rama.
 
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I forgot it was the big day today, anyone here going to Luthuli House, either as an invader or the defender of the house
 
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