The SA Politics Thread Part 2

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Stop instantly? Corruption is pandemic and it has become lifestyle & aspiration of many in ANC. At best, we can hope for prosecutions & jail sentences some day. It can become more realistic if ANC is dislodged from power of course but I don't see that happening in 2024.
Assume you mean endemic. But yes I was obviously exaggerating somewhat, the ANC are corruption and corruption is the ANC and you can't rid SA of the one without removing the other. I was being a bit idealistic that the ANC are corruption so they should be able to sort it out themselves if they wish.
 

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He is on MyBb? Because that's exactly what one of the supporters said here.

Mashaba is probably not on Mybb. He is quite old school and I dont think too tech savvy. He writes his own stuff but I think has people manage his accounts.
 

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To try and ignore the politics at play here, I think the Multi-Party government would do well for themselves to be VERY transparent with the residents about every Council decision that was taken during the period they weren't at the helm and explain the ramifications of that decision to the residents.

100% this.
 

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To try and ignore the politics at play here, I think the Multi-Party government would do well for themselves to be VERY transparent with the residents about every Council decision that was taken during the period they weren't at the helm and explain the ramifications of that decision to the residents.

So, the statement goes on to address this.

This morning a meeting of Cabinet sat in order to continue taking stock of what was done and what
was not done during the tenure of the illegal government of the ANC. In short, that which was done
was for self-interest; and the service delivery needs of residents were left unattended. Once we have
consolidated the issues, we will brief the residents of Joburg.

Armed with a court order, the Joburg Multi-Party has started the work of reversing decisions that
were not in the interest of residents, and we are working day and night to get the City back on track
and once again working for and with residents.
 

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So, the statement goes on to address this.

Yeah I know, but for me the statement shouldn't be "brief the residents of joburg" it should be way more explicit of "we will list all the decisions taken and their ramifications to the residents of Joburg"...
 

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Yeah I know, but for me the statement shouldn't be "brief the residents of joburg" it should be way more explicit of "we will list all the decisions taken and their ramifications to the residents of Joburg"...

I wonder if the brief will cover that.
 

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Yeah I know, but for me the statement shouldn't be "brief the residents of joburg" it should be way more explicit of "we will list all the decisions taken and their ramifications to the residents of Joburg"...
Politics is all about spin, the ANC comes in and talk plenty about all the wrong things the DA have done, the DA comes in and do the same about the ANC.

The listing seldom ever happens because it is all political talk that is not entirely based on fact. So it's much better to brief so that you can get your political spin through and dazzle the unsuspecting masses.

I don't believe anything major happened in the DA's absence so there is really nothing to talk about, besides the political spin of course.
 
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Politics is all about spin, the ANC comes in and talk plenty about all the wrong things the DA have done, the DA comes in and do the same about the ANC.

The listing seldom ever happens because it is all political talk that is not entirely based on fact. So it's much better to brief so that you can get your political spin through and dazzle the unsuspecting masses.

I don't believe nothing major happened in the DA's absence so there is really nothing to talk about, besides the political spin of course.

Yup its all about spin, but for me someone needs to stand up and be above the spin and lay down the facts... and if the facts are that nothing significantly horrid happened then say so.
 

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Yup its all about spin, but for me someone needs to stand up and be above the spin and lay down the facts... and if the facts are that nothing significantly horrid happened then say so.
That's something politicians are never keen on, because no one is clean, so the DA can pretend to care about the people of Gauteng run to the SAHRC about Rand Water, while they are also not providing clean water to the residents of Hammanskraal in Tshwane. The ANC can also latch onto something in the WC and run to the public protector, if it will show the DA up.

That is the kind of a relationship they have, no one is actually interested in facts because there will probably be facts that points to your weakness, so the great fight is the PR fight, who can spin the most elaborate story that would be bought by the masses, obfuscate, tell half truths as long as your story wins the day you get to claim the moral high ground.

Our politicians are also helped in part by the fact that the public would believe a tale if it comes from their favourite politician, so even if we see that something doesn't add up we want to believe it if it puts our favourite party or politician in good light, so there is hardly any space for facts because facts have a tendency of being inconvenient.
 

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ANC stronghold.
Yeah, sure. But why only them? They have many other strongholds nationwide that can also "benefit" from this. And if they're left out, they could start demanding.

IMO it is a desperate ploy to assist ANC efforts to hold GP in 2024.
 

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Yeah, sure. But why only them? They have many other strongholds nationwide that can also "benefit" from this. And if they're left out, they could start demanding.

IMO it is a desperate ploy to assist ANC efforts to hold GP in 2024.
I knew you could identify a desperate tactic when you see one, I fully agree it's a desperate move.
 
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