The SA Politics Thread Part 3

[dj2381]

He speaks 'basic' afrikaans and has made no effort to ever address people in their mother tongues.

Must he speak all 11 languages while addressing a crowd? English works well for most people.

 

[surface]

Point is that they are trying desperately hard to win back Afrikaans votes. Johnno has even done ads in Afrikaans.

He never did any in Isizulu (the main language of his hometown) when he is from KZN and doing stuff in Isizulu would have made him look very good in terms of boosting relations with IFP (a potential very important coalition partner for DA). It would have also boosted his image in KZN and nationally as Zulu's are after all the biggest ethnic group in KZN.

I get your point about learning isiZulu but since he managed not to go past matric which every domestic we ever had managed to achieve, he is not exactly studious guy. Also some people just don't have the inclination to learn language.

 

[The Darkness]

Must he speak all 11 languages while addressing a crowd? English works well for most people.

Clearly you don't understand the power of addressing people in their mother tongue.

 

[The Darkness]

I get your point about learning isiZulu but since he managed not to go past matric, he is not exactly studious guy. Also some people just don't have the inclination to learn language.

Everyone has the inclination. It comes down to effort and will.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

I get your point about learning isiZulu but since he managed not to go past matric, he is not exactly studious guy. Also some people just don't have the inclination to learn language.

He says he did not have "funds" to complete his degree but attended a school which is actually more expensive than most University courses (almost R60k) and I assume he did not board at school since he is from that area and would have required more funds.

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northwoodschool.co.za

 

[PrimeSteak]

I think she even dropped speaking Xhosa now to be more appealing to her priority target market.

Oh, come on, man... Another "grand conspiracy" involving Gogo? You okes overestimate her way too much.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642465050492391424

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Clearly you don't understand the power of addressing people in their mother tongue.

When it comes to Afrikaans and JS doing the ads in Afrikaans, many here will understand the power of speaking in mother tongue but any other SA language "English works well for most people".

 

[surface]

Clearly you don't understand the power of addressing people in their mother tongue.

I am happy to be addressed in English even if it is not my mother tongue. I am pretty sure most electorate won't mind. He might be able to endear himself to a small section if he speaks different languages but then he has a target of 20% set by HZ and he does not sound ambitious.

 

[wingnut771]

Clearly you don't understand the power of addressing people in their mother tongue.

For sure, 100% the reason Pappas won his election imho. It's just some people are not good at languages and he should have someone with him to do it for him.

 

[wingnut771]

Everyone has the inclination. It comes down to effort and will.

Some have to work 100 times harder than others. Is that why some old people still can't speak english after living in america for 20 years after moving from mexico?

 

[surface]

He says he did not have "funds" to complete his degree but attended a school which is actually more expensive than most University courses (almost R60k) and I assume he did not board at school since he is from that area and would have required more funds.

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northwoodschool.co.za

I don't judge him by formal education as he is very articulate and that is enough for a politician. Lack of funds is silly & dishonest reason - all the domestic workers we ever had were matric and above. Did he earn 4500 rands per month like them ?

 

[rietrot]

He made effort to speak Afrikaans in ads on farm attacks but not in any other language.

That's nonsense. This is a silly argument in the first place.

He made no particular effort with afrikaans. He probably learned it as a kid because he had to and can as a result use it when convenient.

This is just normal for most/all South Africans. Except that there is a lot of overlap in African languages so some people get a few languages extra for free.

Maybe he should have made an effort if he's ambition was to run a rural kzn town. That is obviously not the case.

 

[rietrot]

I don't judge him by formal education as he is very articulate and that is enough for a politician. Lack of funds is silly & dishonest reason - all the domestic workers we ever had were matric and above. Did he earn 4500 rands per month like them ?

Your domestic has a higher education. Well that just proves how useless that is. Why should anyone do a university degree to become a cleaner?

 

[surface]

Your domestic has a higher education. Well that just proves how useless that is. Why should anyone do a university degree to become a cleaner?

what exactly are you saying rietie ?

 

[rietrot]

what exactly are you saying rietie ?

If you had a higher IQ you would probably be able to figure it out.

 

[surface]

If you had a higher IQ you would probably be able to figure it out.

At least you didn't go full trailer trash.

 

[rietrot]

At least you didn't go full trailer trash.

In South Africa we call it a Caravan.
Caravan trash? And camping is fun. You should try it. Experience our beautiful country and get some fresh air.

 

[TheChamp]

I get your point about learning isiZulu but since he managed not to go past matric which every domestic we ever had managed to achieve, he is not exactly studious guy. Also some people just don't have the inclination to learn language.

My feeling is that it has never mattered to him, and to be honest there is nothing in the current direction the party is taking that compels him to learn Zulu or any other language besides Afrikaans. The DA has all but surrendered growth in KZN and will hope the IFP picks up the slack there, English is good enough for the Indian and other middle class communities, so whatever they get there will be fine.

Their focus is firstly on their own core voters and the part that keeps on going back to the Freedom Front, they want them back, hence the need that appeal largely to the Afrikaans community like the language thing and farm murders.

Zille's idea is that they keep what they have now, get 1 or 2 % back from the Freedom Front, hope for the best on everyone else, it will be another improvement on Maimane's 2019 result, with a low turnout it's possible, no one can accuse them of weakening the party. A risky strategy but at this moment both John and Zille are pretty much untouchable so it doesn't matter if it fails.

 

[TheChamp]

I don't judge him by formal education as he is very articulate and that is enough for a politician. Lack of funds is silly & dishonest reason - all the domestic workers we ever had were matric and above. Did he earn 4500 rands per month like them ?

We should arrive at a point where it's okay for someone to confidently say, "I just did not feel like school and chose to do other things", instead of being compelled to give silly reasons, the stigma must come to an end.

 

[wingnut771]

My feeling is that it has never mattered to him, and to be honest there is nothing in the current direction the party is taking that compels him to learn Zulu or any other language besides Afrikaans. The DA has all but surrendered growth in KZN and will hope the IFP picks up the slack there, English is good enough for the Indian and other middle class communities, so whatever they get there will be fine.

Their focus is firstly on their own core voters and the part that keeps on going back to the Freedom Front, they want them back, hence the need that appeal largely to the Afrikaans community like the language thing and farm murders.

Zille's idea is that they keep what they have now, get 1 or 2 % back from the Freedom Front, hope for the best on everyone else, it will be another improvement on Maimane's 2019 result, with a low turnout it's possible, no one can accuse them of weakening the party. A risky strategy but at this moment both John and Zille are pretty much untouchable so it doesn't matter if it fails.

You said it yourself, Zulu's vote for Zulus, when the ANC has another Zulu, ANC will be back in KZN, JS is not Zulu so why should he bother? Maybe the DA needs a white Zulu like a Johnny Clegg?