The Soul

Prawnapple

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If the universe is nihilistic, that might mean all values of all creatures are unique/subjective. They may be shared, but are unique regardless. (It's weird how I managed to conflate uniqueness with nihilism here and no soul *scratches head).

Human beings, being social/self-aware creatures, are even more complex in this regard. Our values/behaviors (how we act) are not autonomous.

If the above is true, how should we structure our values? How do we structure our values in an ultimately nihilistic reality? And especially when we're undergoing existential angst, how do we re-arrange our values without direction?

Just my thought for Monday morning :p
 

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and are subsequently a philosophers wet dream.
6. It has gradually become clear to me what every great philosophy up till now has consisted of—namely, the confession of its originator, and a species of involuntary and unconscious auto-biography; and moreover that the moral (or immoral) purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown. Indeed, to understand how the abstrusest metaphysical assertions of a philosopher have been arrived at, it is always well (and wise) to first ask oneself: 'What morality do they (or does he) aim at?' Accordingly, I do not believe that an 'impulse to knowledge' is the father of philosophy; but that another impulse, here as elsewhere, has only made use of knowledge (and mistaken knowledge!) as an instrument. But whoever considers the fundamental impulses of man with a view to determining how far they may have here acted as INSPIRING GENII (or as demons and cobolds), will find that they have all practiced philosophy at one time or another, and that each one of them would have been only too glad to look upon itself as the ultimate end of existence and the legitimate LORD over all the other impulses. For every impulse is imperious, and as SUCH, attempts to philosophize. To be sure, in the case of scholars, in the case of really scientific men, it may be otherwise—'better,' if you will; there there may really be such a thing as an 'impulse to knowledge,' some kind of small, independent clock-work, which, when well wound up, works away industriously to that end, WITHOUT the rest of the scholarly impulses taking any material part therein. The actual 'interests' of the scholar, therefore, are generally in quite another direction—in the family, perhaps, or in money-making, or in politics; it is, in fact, almost indifferent at what point of research his little machine is placed, and whether the hopeful young worker becomes a good philologist, a mushroom specialist, or a chemist; he is not CHARACTERISED by becoming this or that. In the philosopher, on the contrary, there is absolutely nothing impersonal; and above all, his morality furnishes a decided and decisive testimony as to WHO HE IS,—that is to say, in what order the deepest impulses of his nature stand to each other.
Nietzsche beat you to it, bub.

So say ye, oh narcissist :)
I have constructed no false idol out of myself.
 

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Cool story bro. What is next? Believing in the truth that does not exist? You have a mind even though materialism says it is impossible? You have the freedom to choose to become an atheist... even though you don't?
 

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What the hell is "extraordinary proof"?

I believe (but cannot definitively prove) that GOD exists.
You believe (but cannot definitively prove) that GOD does not exist.
I'm just curious, you once didn't believe there was a God because there wasn't enough proof and then you did believe. What changed your mind, what was your ah-ha moment?

When it comes to extraordinary proof I think this would be different for every person, you cant just say because that guy said so, even if he is right I won't believe him. God is an extraordinary claim so requires extraordinary proof.

But hey, Atheists are more clever than non-Atheists.
A case in point be that Einstein idiot.
Why this? how does this help?
 

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I'm just curious, you once didn't believe there was a God because there wasn't enough proof and then you did believe. What changed your mind, what was your ah-ha moment?

When it comes to extraordinary proof I think this would be different for every person, you cant just say because that guy said so, even if he is right I won't believe him. God is an extraordinary claim so requires extraordinary proof.


Why this? how does this help?
I do not believe GOD exists despite logic - I believe GOD exists because logic.
The reason I believe GOD exists is because it makes sense.

As for "extraordinary" (whatever that is) proof that GOD exists.
Proof is proof - there is no such thing as "extraordinary" proof.
Note that neither the existence nor the non-existence of GOD can be proven.
"GOD does not exist" is as much a belief as the belief that "GOD exists".
An Atheist be as much a believer as any other believer.

The fact that Einstein was not an Atheist seems to bother you.
 

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I do not believe GOD exists despite logic - I believe GOD exists because logic.
The reason I believe GOD exists is because it makes sense.

As for "extraordinary" (whatever that is) proof that GOD exists.
Proof is proof - there is no such thing as "extraordinary" proof.
Note that neither the existence nor the non-existence of GOD can be proven.
"GOD does not exist" is as much a belief as the belief that "GOD exists".
An Atheist be as much a believer as any other believer.
I'm having difficulty believing you here that you were an Atheist (no proof God exists) to Theist (God exists) without something changing or you weren't an Atheist in the first place.

The fact that Einstein was not an Atheist seems to bother you.
I know the facts about Einstein but you want me to challenge you on your point to try get under my skin.
Side Note: You can't make me angry with your sly comments.

Edit sorry missed this:

As for "extraordinary" (whatever that is) proof that GOD exists.
Proof is proof - there is no such thing as "extraordinary" proof.
Note that neither the existence nor the non-existence of GOD can be proven.
"GOD does not exist" is as much a belief as the belief that "GOD exists".
An Atheist be as much a believer as any other believer.
I disagree but whatever I will give you proof is proof
My stance is there is no proof God exists not "God does not exist" which takes belief out of it all together. Your stance is God exists but there is no proof which makes it a belief. Right?
 
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So what is your logic that God exists?
Explain it to us.
Explain how it makes sense to you.
 

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I'm having difficulty believing you here that you were an Atheist (no proof God exists) to Theist (God exists) without something changing or you weren't an Atheist in the first place.
I am but one of many such people.

I know the facts about Einstein but you want me to challenge you on your point to try get under my skin.
Side Note: You can't make me angry with your sly comments.
I am not trying to make you angry.
I am trying to show you that many (highly) intellectuals believe GOD exists.
The whole "us Atheists are more clever than others (non-Atheists)" thing says a lot about the intellect of "us Atheists".
 
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Ponderer

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So what is your logic that God exists?
Explain it to us.
Explain how it makes sense to you.
Whatever is, is.
Whatever is not, is not.
GOD either is, or GOD is not.
I believe GOD is because my mind tells me GOD is.
 
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