The truth about caps and shaping

[rpm]

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Broadband/1202.html

 

[TheRoDent]

Nicely writ.

 

[krycor]

Something i was thinking about lately .. with Telkoms proposed pay for local and international seperately plan, how will cache/proxy servers fit into their model. Because IF on an international link u notice that the traffic is inface from a proxy/cache can't u take it up with icasa since u paying for international and getting local traffic

 

[|tera|]

No offence to the Author, but didn't we know all this rubbish already? It's nothing new. Sounds like telscum or Iburst wrote this.

 

[Cara]

No offence to the Author, but didn't we know all this rubbish already? It's nothing new. Sounds like telscum or Iburst wrote this.

Perhaps it's not new to you but not all the people who read the news on the site are part of the forum. The day Telkom start writing articles like this I'll eat my hat

Sadly, once again, the blame can be laid mainly at the feet of SA’s untenable monopolistic fixed line industry. One company controls the country’s national and international bandwidth which has created a bandwidth starved environment where consumers suffer at the hands of profit driven operators.

 

[stormwalkerza]

Its sad that they have to do this, but one definatly see's a difference.

I use IS to download internationally, and sometimes have to play WOW on this acc.

During the day (When p2p is HEAVLY shapped on IS) i've had a ping as low as about 550 to europe. Come 5pm, it shoots up to 2000, can be lower but 1000+ is the norm then, so yea, it definatly impacts on the network.

 

[|tera|]

Perhaps it's not new to you but not all the people who read the news on the site are part of the forum. The day Telkom start writing articles like this I'll eat my hat

The quoted text was at the very end of the article, which doesn't count for 90% of the information given, which is quite boring to read and doesn't give any room to move forward, since it's a closed case, where's the hope?

 

[TheRoDent]

No offence to the Author, but didn't we know all this rubbish already? It's nothing new. Sounds like telscum or Iburst wrote this.

Errrr. MyADSL wrote this

 

[|tera|]

Errrr. MyADSL wrote this

Lol, I know, I guess I'm in a bad mood today, I'm a bit sick, so excuse me, sorry Cara

 

[Glordit]

I my self are on a heavily shaped internet connection, no p2p EVER day or night. I realy dont mind as I get all my Music off Polish and russian websites [I <3 Russian]

Otherwise

BOO-HOO!! CRY ME A RIVER!! BLA BLA BLA!! "We cap becuase we have no bandwith" AAARRRG!!!

Have a cap and p2p
OR
Have no cap and no p2p

Simple, but to Telkom its not. Why? MONEY!!

 

[pjj]

Articles like this just shows that we will live in a third world, backward country for many years to come, if not always. We will never be able to compete with the modern world.

 

[Necuno]

nicely written - now from one on IS's shaping and the fakeUncapped...

 

[emmanuel]

Why not open up broadband and have "unlimited downloads (fair use policy applies)" as seen by http://www.orange.co.uk/time/broadbandunlimited/.

It's likely about a) maximizing profits and those in charge not seeing the affects of their greed and b) those in charge being stuck on that some clients would use the Internet excessively, for whatever reason, and them not knowing how to cater for those clients.

 

[Roman4604]

Why not open up broadband and have "unlimited downloads (fair use policy applies)"

Read http://www.orange.co.uk/terms/7094.htm?linkfrom=terms_4945&link=link_7&article=termsofusenav ... how does this differ from local practice?

 

[semiautomatix]

Why not open up broadband and have "unlimited downloads (fair use policy applies)" as seen by http://www.orange.co.uk/time/broadbandunlimited/

How is it UK citizens who have this account can make free calls to SA landlines when SA citizens can't do the same thing IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY???

 

[LabAnimal]

Something i was thinking about lately .. with Telkoms proposed pay for local and international seperately plan, how will cache/proxy servers fit into their model. Because IF on an international link u notice that the traffic is inface from a proxy/cache can't u take it up with icasa since u paying for international and getting local traffic

I was wondering the same thing.

Am I correct to assume that If I am the first user to access a international website, that wile i'm pulling that info across, it gets cache'd automatically here so that when someone else or myself visit it again, that most of it is cached???

 

[LCBXX]

So:
We have shaping because of the "efficiency" of certain P2P applications. That still wouldn't explain why we have caps though

The majority of broadband subscribers are on 384-512Kb/s of bandwidth. Entry level bandwidth in most European countries is around 8Mb/s...unshaped.

Perhaps Telkom & Co. should rather say something like:
"We do not have enough bandwidth to adequately provide acceptable broadband speeds in South Africa, even though the majority of broadband users ONLY utilize 384-512Kb/s. We are sorry, but we can't. By the way, we also cap you; don't ask"

 

[Cara]

Lol, I know, I guess I'm in a bad mood today, I'm a bit sick, so excuse me, sorry Cara

No need to apologise, I didn't write it ... and then there was one

 

[ldmelsa]

How do some guys overseas use p2p / torrents, so successfully?

 

[krycor]

I was wondering the same thing.

Am I correct to assume that If I am the first user to access a international website, that wile i'm pulling that info across, it gets cache'd automatically here so that when someone else or myself visit it again, that most of it is cached???

yup, the margin per usr might be low tho depending on popularity of said website, noumber hits per day vs size of cache, etc

reminds me when i was bored one day a couple yrs ago and the university cache servers were kinda open so i could ftp to it and check out what was in there -uncapped-