The truth about speeding arrests in South Africa

Spizz

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No you said all normal drivers are bad. Terrible. Our fault. Including me. Even if you don't know me from a bar of soap. Have no idea how I drive, etc. But it's me. Us. All of us. I killed a bunch of people in December alone.

PS: I didn't. But the dude in the fancy X5 behind me on William Nicol who didn't know the difference between the accelerator and the brake pedal (literally, I asked him, he said he forgot which one is which) is probably did.

And I’ll bet you the dude in the X5 blames pedestrians and taxis too.

That’s my point. Introspection is good. But clearly no one on this thread needs it so I guess it’s carry on as usual.
 

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And I’ll bet you the dude in the X5 blames pedestrians and taxis too.

That’s my point. Introspection is good. But clearly no one on this thread needs it so I guess it’s carry on as usual.

Just cause some turd in an X5 made you angry don't take it out on everyone :ROFL:
 
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Spizz

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Yeah the stupid is strong with that one

You getting a bit triggered there bud?

I’ll bet you are a real cool customer on the road and not one of the impatient arrogant arseholes that no one seems to be but yet we see them everywhere.

Dare to suggest we all just stop and think for a bit? How fscking stupid of me.
 

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The problem with driving in South Africa, is that people always points the finger at everyone else. Look at the threads on here, no-one has a problem with their own driving, it's always everyone else who is a bad driver.

Well with thousands of deaths every year including the usual 1500 in December alone, I'm sorry, the problem and the bad driver are all of us.

Including you.

Yes, you.
Me???
 

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Have a look in the mirror, that’s for you to decide. Probably not but a little bit of self reflection does no one any harm.

Or so I thought. Turns out it causes a lot of grown men to lose their schit ;)
 

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Have a look in the mirror, that’s for you to decide. Probably not but a little bit of self reflection does no one any harm.

Or so I thought. Turns out it causes a lot of grown men to lose their schit ;)

No one is losing their schit, only calling you out on your BS post generalizing, if you can't read the stats please find someone who can do it for you, 40% of deaths are pedestrians, if you have ever used our highways and motorways you will understand why.
 

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Cape Town does routinely issue NAG summons to prosecute anyone trapped doing more than 30 km/h (urban) - 40km/h (highway) over the limit.

But it's monumentally counter-productive as it's clogging up the courts.

A huge proportion of those fines are typically scenarios like the short stretch at the end of a motorway where the speed limit drops from 120km/h to 60km/h and the driver just hasn't slowed down fast enough so goes through at just over 90km/h. Granted, not great driving, but not exactly equivalent to deliberately belting down a highway at 300km/h.

The problem is the courts cannot deal with the vast quantity of resulting NAG fines so the the end result is often up to a 2 year backlog in court cases - which end up simply getting cancelled, or the prosecutor just agrees to a relatively minor admission of guilt fine instead, these days usually handled by specialist law firms that "take care" of your NAG fine for a few thousand rand.

The whole thing is meaningless and probably explains why other municipalities don't even try.
 

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Well, the posts above also only focus on fatalities. How many were seriously injured? Maimed, in wheelchairs, with extensive disabilities? Do the statistics take into account where patients survive the accident but succumb in the hospital a few days later?
 

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No one is losing their schit, only calling you out on your BS post generalizing, if you can't read the stats please find someone who can do it for you, 40% of deaths are pedestrians, if you have ever used our highways and motorways you will understand why.

Holy schit. You think 60% of 14,000 a year is a low number?

And of course I've driven on the motorways and highways. Or rather, of course I do drive on the motorways and highways, why do you think I'm saying what I'm saying? You think i leave my car at home and walk about the place?

But sure, I may be generalazing but I'm starting to think you are one of the arrogant and impatient muppets that cause the "carnage" because you clearly can't see it and tbf, you are protesting a tad too much here. Maybe I'm assuming too much but I'm guessing you do open your eyes when you drive?


134,000 killed in 10 years. A national crisis, but no, it's all cool. Oh sorry, it's ONLY 60%. so a mere 80,000 odd drivers and passengers. No problems hey? I guess the WHO are making it up?

Maybe you need glasses to see this, so I'll make it a bit bigger for you///

SA has the world's poorest road safety records - WHO report


But sure, have a go at me for suggesting we all have a look at ourselves. FFS, no wonder they call it carnage with attitudes like yours.
 

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Cape Town does routinely issue NAG summons to prosecute anyone trapped doing more than 30 km/h (urban) - 40km/h (highway) over the limit.

But it's monumentally counter-productive as it's clogging up the courts.

A huge proportion of those fines are typically scenarios like the short stretch at the end of a motorway where the speed limit drops from 120km/h to 60km/h and the driver just hasn't slowed down fast enough so goes through at just over 90km/h. Granted, not great driving, but not exactly equivalent to deliberately belting down a highway at 300km/h.

The problem is the courts cannot deal with the vast quantity of resulting NAG fines so the the end result is often up to a 2 year backlog in court cases - which end up simply getting cancelled, or the prosecutor just agrees to a relatively minor admission of guilt fine instead, these days usually handled by specialist law firms that "take care" of your NAG fine for a few thousand rand.

The whole thing is meaningless and probably explains why other municipalities don't even try.

They have a nice new traffic court at Goodwood traffic department, but unfortunately, they run on a conveyor belt system from eastern cape to Goodwood to Polsmoor. when the taxi driver leaves the court to Polsmoor he hands the keys to the next one from the EC.
 

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Idiots walking in the road. Physics tells me a metal object travelling along and hitting a human will hurt.
Physics well most of the idiots can't spell it never mind figure it out.
Now I have often wondered why a goat or a guineafowl gets off the road when it sees a vehicle approaching. The fowls brain is not much bigger than a pea.
The goat never studied physics.
Still amazed that these creatures are more intelligent than most humans around.
 
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Cape Town does routinely issue NAG summons to prosecute anyone trapped doing more than 30 km/h (urban) - 40km/h (highway) over the limit.

But it's monumentally counter-productive as it's clogging up the courts.

A huge proportion of those fines are typically scenarios like the short stretch at the end of a motorway where the speed limit drops from 120km/h to 60km/h and the driver just hasn't slowed down fast enough so goes through at just over 90km/h. Granted, not great driving, but not exactly equivalent to deliberately belting down a highway at 300km/h.

The problem is the courts cannot deal with the vast quantity of resulting NAG fines so the the end result is often up to a 2 year backlog in court cases - which end up simply getting cancelled, or the prosecutor just agrees to a relatively minor admission of guilt fine instead, these days usually handled by specialist law firms that "take care" of your NAG fine for a few thousand rand.

The whole thing is meaningless and probably explains why other municipalities don't even try.

The problem with NAG fines is that most of them are camera-based fines. So if you are going to force a motorist to go to court, instead of just offering them an admission of guilt fine, they are going to by necessity lawyer up. And once they've got a lawyer involved that lawyer is going to pick the state's case to pieces.
 

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Being a good driver in Joburg will probably get you killed.

Nope.. I survived and if anything it keeps you safe as you take nothing fore granted vs other driver actions. Unfortunately a large % of people adhere to societal norms more than rebuffing it particularly when wrong. This is why most drivers in SA are pathetic.. the minute people go.. "yah but that taxi does than so i can too.." and the decay starts.

This ironically is also why fraud and corruption is the scourge it is in SA. People seem to always choose the easier & often self-enriching option and very view people chose the "right" way despite hardships it will incur. I blame the way kids are brought up these days.. this is endemic across all cultures here... just some have a lesser decay rate due to parents not caving.
 
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