The Truth About Women's Rights In Islam

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THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS TO ENLIGHTEN THE IGNORANT ABOUT THE REAL RIGHTS THAT ISLAM GAVE TO WOMEN AGES BEFORE WESTERN WOMEN EVEN DREAMT OF STARTING A WOMEN'S LIB MOVEMENT

WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL ALL BE POLITE, HONEST AND BRING FACTS TO THE TABLE. ADMIT WHEN WE ARE RIGHT. BE FAIR AND JUST IN YOUR CRITICISM AND AVOID GETTING EMOTIONAL AND INSULTING US PURELY BASED ON UNFOUNDED HATE FOR ISLAM.
 
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At the beginning Islam was the most revolutionary liberalization of women's rights the civilized world has ever seen. But afterwards Muslims became ignorant of this and now Muslim countries are the scene of some of the worst abuses of women's rights. As the Latin proverb says, "Corruptio optimi pessima" (When the best is corrupted, it becomes the worst). The Qur’ân expresses the same theme in Sûrat al-Tîn: "We created man in the best pattern, and later reduced him to the lowest of the low."

Think of the possibilities for liberalization based on purely Islamic sources, not taking anything from the modern West. That would be truly Islamic feminism. The origin of Islam is far more liberal and feminist than what subsequent generations made of it. Women's rights were established by the Qur’ân and the Prophet (peace be upon him), who after all loved women; we need to filter out the spurious anti-woman hadiths that were added later. Although the term feminism has developed a somewhat poisonous connotation in today's discourse, it really just means the promotion of women's God-given rights and liberties, which is to the good of everyone.

We humans are essentially spiritual souls, and true liberation would begin from that identity. It's a shame that so often in the profane modern world, which only believes in quantity, all relationships are reduced to a zero-sum game of power. If feminism becomes nothing more than a power grab—men hold power over women, so now it's women's turn to seize the power and use it against men in turn—then no one advances any further toward higher enlightenment; the contest stays on the same horizontal level, the same problems recur in new guise with no resolution.

Men may fear or distrust "feminism" if they think it means nothing more than women gaining control over them. But genuine women's liberation would be liberating for all people, men and women alike. Not an issue of who wields power over whom, but transcending that whole issue of power, lifting our consciousness to a higher plane. A woman who is truly liberated would not be stuck in that old power struggle; she would not seek to control men any more than she would accept being controlled by men. Rather, both men and women would rejoice at being freed to relate to one another as loving, spiritual beings.
 
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Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, t

Pedophilia and killing "suckling infants" in the Bible!

Ironically, one of the Bible's 10 pillars or ten Commandments says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3-year old slave girls were also ordered to be raped by Moses.

Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah


I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).
 

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who cares what it says above, for the past 100 years countries governed by sharia law are the only ones that regularly bury women upto their necks and stone them to death..
 
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" The Rabbi Said It"

Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]
 

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I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).
Ummm so, your followers do it anyway..it wouldn't matter would it!
 

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FFS do us all a favour post one link to which ever page you are getting all this off of and then comment. Your spamming of this forum with cut and paste garbage from some other site is annoying at best.
 
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Biblical times were quite savage and brutal, but time has moved on. Christianity has evolved and adapted. Can we honestly say the same about Islam?
 
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Sound Familiar?

"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"
 
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No Longer Christians

Biblical times were quite savage and brutal, but time has moved on. Christianity has evolved and adapted. Can we honestly say the same about Islam?
Therefore it is no longer christianity and it's followers have absolutely no ties with eary christians. And clearly the way of life of early christians is undermined as premitive and inferior to this era of "modernity" and "enlightenment"

so dont even bother calling it christianity and dont even bother calling it the bible. say the new testament
 

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While i most certainly believe that power has subverted many aspects of Islam such that there is much disagreement even among Muslims about what interpretations are correct and which are not; unfortuately the Qur'an does infact have many inferences to the "inferiority" of women.

my apologies for the cut and paste

1. Men have more rights regarding divorce than do women

Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise," (2:28)

2. Muslim men may marry up to four women, but no such provision is made for Muslim women.

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice," (4:3).

3. A man's inheritance should be a portion of two females
Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half," (4:11).

4. It is okay to beat wives

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)," (4:34).

5. In Paradise, voluptuous women await men for sensual gratification

"In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched," (55:56).

"We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), - Beloved (by nature), equal in age,- For the Companions of the Right Hand," (56:35-38)

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines, And voluptuous women of equal age," (78:31-33).

Source

As a woman I would not accept these prescripts.
 

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Therefore it is no longer christianity and it's followers have absolutely no ties with eary christians. And clearly the way of life of early christians is undermined as premitive and inferior to this era of "modernity" and "enlightenment"

so dont even bother calling it christianity and dont even bother calling it the bible. say the new testament
Then the same can be said about islam since 90% of muslims do not pratise what they preach.
 

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The danger with biblical texts is that people feel compelled to stick to them to the letter. IMO what is important is the spirit behind the text and not the word for word interpetation. How can you follow a text written so long ago in the world of today where everything around you ahs changed.

The quaran says to pray five times a day. This is fine if you live in a time when you job was to tend to the fields. Yoday when people work 9 to 5 its shoudl be okay to pray as often as you can, five times IF possible. Not making refernece to anyone, just using an example.

The bible is the same. Christians have dropped the obvious stuff....like the fact that the bible says you can sell you daughter as a slave, but only to a fellwo country man. Thats cool to drop becuase its clearly not acceptable today. However, when it comes to things like homosexuallity, christians say that the bible says it is wrong and htat it always will be. Christianity has IMO stayed the same....not much has changed. If Christians could they would still stone blasphemers in the street.

No religion is any better than any other one...they are ALL equally stupid!!!
 
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Concentrate mate (hey it rhymes...lol)

Then the same can be said about islam since 90% of muslims do not pratise what they preach.
WRONG! you have clearly missed the point. Please try to concentrate when you read if thats not too much to ask. The issue was with the evolution of The religion of christianity and not that of what christians preach or do.
 

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Quoting extracts from your scriptures, showing how women have rights etc under Islam, is well and good, BUT, big BUT, how many of those women you speak of have the right to even exercise those rights?, secondly how many of those women have the ability to even read those rights?.
Sadly the truth is that many women who live and have grown up under Islamic rule, and within Islamic culture, never had a choice, they arent educated, they are barely able to read, and they certainly have no rights.
There are many finely educated men and women who reside and live in Islamic countries or under Islamic law, but there is also a vast amount who have no education, no means of achieving that education, and absolutely no means of escaping the semi-slavery type conditions under which they live.
Islam and Womens Rights: (Please note this article is from an athiest web-group, so it is not one faith bashing another)
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/islamrights.htm
Honour Kilings in Pakistan (Amnesty Internatonal)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engASA330181999

While practices like this are not widespread, they still occur, and they are still occuring, so while they still occur, no faith can claim that they are enlightened to womens rights, or that they view womens rights with any kind of respect.
Neither can any faith claim to be enlightened, when members who through personal choice leave or convert to another religion, are murdered or put to death under the laws of the religion they CHOSE not follow any further. The right to freedom of choice is one of the fundamental choices of any and all human beings walking this earth.
http://www.rawa.org/converts.htm
http://www.domini.org/openbook/pal20030729.htm

I have yet to find any articles relating to Christianity or Judaism, where in todays day and age people are put to death for converting to another faith, nor have i found any articles in the religions or faiths of the Far East.
Defend your faith as much as you wish, but until articles and news and welfare workers and health inspectors stop reporting or recording incidents or occurances of abuse, the fact remains, ALL women, dont have the same rights under or within your faith.
 

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cant you guys just get along..you both subsrcibe to abrahamic religions.....your religions are based upon the same thing...dont you see....both your religions are equally stupid......the Christian religion leads to a sterile and boring life characterised by being good and all Je sus-y all the time..

Islam, besides the whole no booze thing....Islam forbids the consumption of pork.....Pork being the most delicious animal on the planet.....to not know its glorious flavour is to know hell and to taste of its flesh is like tasting a little peice of heaven...
 

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Do you still condone the beating of women ?
Where in the quaran does it say that you can beat women. Show me where and will show you passages in the bible where god/jesus orders people to kill and rape etc etc etc

Its debates lilke this that make me think that no religion is worthy of my belief. Religious people always take things personally, its an inherent human characteristc that people want to belong to a group. That group sticks togehter and protecst eachother and loathes other groups....what is happening in this thread is that people are tring to prove their religion to be better than someone else's..both the bible and the quaran preach tolerance....there is none of that in this thread......religous belief is just another "ism" that obscures man's ability to think rationally.
 
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