The UCT - Cecil John Rhodes Statue Thread

[Nerfherder]

A referendum was held in 1960 to become a Republic, which happened in 1961. We also stepped out of the Commonwealth at that stage.

1776 Was the year the British Cape Colony implemented the first race based land act.
1910 Was when under the British Union Of South Africa, with the influence of Cecil John Rhodes and his kintergarden the next great controversial land act was implemented.

During the British Union Of South Africa, under principles derived from Rhodes, Jan Smuts, Milner etc. a variety of race-based laws were implemented, including a 'morality' type act.

The practice of ringing bells after dark to shove non-whites out of town after dark was implemented in the British Cape Colony and British Natal Colony by British representatives.

Apartheid was a term associated with 1948 when the Nats came to power within the British Union of South Africa. The real onslaught against race-based principles only became truly widespread when the Republic of South Africa came to be and hence associated with Afrikaner-rule alone, which is completely erroneous as it was (inconsistently) applied for centuries.

Meh... they were moving away from that kind of thing by the time the Nats took over.

Apartheid was envisioned by Voster, that was his abortion. The Brits had racial policies like everyone else.... but Apartheid was bucking the trend.
Remember the great Trek was about slavery... Apartheid was just the re-branding.

 

[jansdejager]

Brits also invented concentration camps. We don't blame them for the holocaust.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Yip. Jan Smuts was progressive for his time. Also the only true international South African statesman. He played a role in setting up the UN.

 

[Sensorei]

A referendum was held in 1960 to become a Republic, which happened in 1961. We also stepped out of the Commonwealth at that stage.

1776 Was the year the British Cape Colony implemented the first race based land act.
1910 Was when under the British Union Of South Africa, with the influence of Cecil John Rhodes and his kintergarden the next great controversial land act was implemented.

During the British Union Of South Africa, under principles derived from Rhodes, Jan Smuts, Milner etc. a variety of race-based laws were implemented, including a 'morality' type act.

The practice of ringing bells after dark to shove non-whites out of town after dark was implemented in the British Cape Colony and British Natal Colony by British representatives.

Apartheid was a term associated with 1948 when the Nats came to power within the British Union of South Africa. The real onslaught against race-based principles only became truly widespread when the Republic of South Africa came to be and hence associated with Afrikaner-rule alone, which is completely erroneous as it was (inconsistently) applied for centuries.

Lots of truth here but lots of bullkak as well. The Dutch before they were called Afrikaaners were WAY worse than the British in terms of race based atrocities. I am 50/50 Afrikaans/English. Not biased either way, and you need to read more books on South African history written written in the 1800's to see what things were really like.

After slavery was banned it was the boere who would often steal black kids from their parents at gunpoint to take them as 'apprentices', not the Brits. The racism in the old Dutch and Afrikaans communities was always way worse. Not to say that the Brits weren't oppressive or didn't consider themselves superior to both the boere and blacks, but they weren't nearly as bad as the Afrikaaners.

 

[etienne_marais]

Lots of truth here but lots of bullkak as well. The Dutch before they were called Afrikaaners were WAY worse than the British in terms of race based atrocities. I am 50/50 Afrikaans/English. Not biased either way, and you need to read more books on South African history written written in the 1800's to see what things were really like.

After slavery was banned it was the boere who would often steal black kids from their parents at gunpoint to take them as 'apprentices', not the Brits. The racism in the old Dutch and Afrikaans communities was always way worse. Not to say that the Brits weren't oppressive or didn't consider themselves superior to both the boere and blacks, but they weren't nearly as bad as the Afrikaaners.

Maybe, maybe not. Some reading material that does not entail Boere-hater anglosaxon projections ?

 

[Space_Chief]

How were Afrikaaners worse?

 

[Space_Chief]

Yip. Jan Smuts was progressive for his time. Also the only true international South African statesman. He played a role in setting up the UN.

His namesake airport was renamed though. Rhodes Uni is still around etc.

 

[Space_Chief]

This protest is all wrong. The guy should have "chained" himself to Rhodes' foot like a slave or some such.

 

[Grant]

This protest is all wrong. The guy should have "chained" himself to Rhodes' foot like a slave or some such.

that would require thought and a little contemplation.
this lot were only capable of foraging in toilets then throwing the spoils around outside - leaving the mess for cleaning staff to pick up.

 

[Nicodeamus]

A referendum was held in 1960 to become a Republic, which happened in 1961. We also stepped out of the Commonwealth at that stage.

1776 Was the year the British Cape Colony implemented the first race based land act.
1910 Was when under the British Union Of South Africa, with the influence of Cecil John Rhodes and his kintergarden the next great controversial land act was implemented.

During the British Union Of South Africa, under principles derived from Rhodes, Jan Smuts, Milner etc. a variety of race-based laws were implemented, including a 'morality' type act.

The practice of ringing bells after dark to shove non-whites out of town after dark was implemented in the British Cape Colony and British Natal Colony by British representatives.

Apartheid was a term associated with 1948 when the Nats came to power within the British Union of South Africa. The real onslaught against race-based principles only became truly widespread when the Republic of South Africa came to be and hence associated with Afrikaner-rule alone, which is completely erroneous as it was (inconsistently) applied for centuries.

Rhodes died during the boer war, he was dead when the Act of Union was signed. The last prime minister of the cape colony John Merriman was big critic of Britain and spoke out against imperliasm, especially after what happened during the boer war. He was instrumental in the drafting of the treaty of vereniging.

The term Apartheid was already used by Jan Smuts in a speech in 1916, it was the defacto policy of the government since the day the cape government was founded even long before the days of union. The Transvaal government, the colony of Natal and Orange free state never allowed black people to vote. In the Cape they could only vote if they held land, which no one did.

SA's first independence from Britain came when we became a stature of Westminster under Albert Herzog, then 1948 when the first Afrikaner parliament was elected, afterwards 1961 and finally 1994.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

UCT SRC threatens to occupy Bremner and withdraw from University committees

The Student Representative Council will be requesting the Vice Chancellor and Chair of Council to give the masses a date of when the Cecil John Rhodes statue will be removed. In doing so, we encourage you to join the SRC for a march from Lower Campus to Bremner Building.
The march’s main focus will be centred on the overall transformation at UCT as well as getting a firm response from management regarding the removal of the statue.
Failure of cooperation from management will result to the SRC calling for the indefinite occupation of Bremner building and the SRC's withdrawal in participation from all University Committees.
Lastly, please be aware that the SRC will be engaging with various stakeholders in calling for the support of our cause.
The march will take place on: Friday, 20 March 2015
Time:13h00
Venue: Lower campus to Bremner Building
Please join us as we #TransformUCT
Warm Regards,
The Secretariat

 

[AthenianOwl]

UCT SRC threatens to occupy Bremner and withdraw from University committees

Transform that and this. SA will eventually transform into a pile of ungovernable ****.

 

[MickeyD]

Replace the CJR statue with one of FW de Klerk ....

 

[MickeyD]

UCT SRC threatens to occupy Bremner and withdraw from University committees

The Student Representative Council will be requesting the Vice Chancellor and Chair of Council to give the masses a date of when the Cecil John Rhodes statue will be removed.

So much for democracy... What happened to allowing UCT the right to make an informed decision?

And "masses" ??? A few snot nosed kids are not the "masses".

 

[FoXtroT]

Replace the CJR statue with one of FW de Klerk ....

Oh how I would love to see the reaction you would get if you were to suggest that to the whole crowd of them the other day

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

So much for democracy... What happened to allowing UCT the right to make an informed decision?

And "masses" ??? A few snot nosed kids are not the "masses".

Yes, here is a protest that is apparently happening right now. Huge support clearly...



By the way, only around 35% of people vote in SRC elections, so I'm rather amused as to how they can claim to represent the people.

 

[MickeyD]

By the way, only around 35% of people vote in SRC elections, so I'm rather amused as to how they can claim to represent the people.

Then it is time that the more serious students take a stand and vote in a new SRC; one more concerned with issues impacting the students' lives rather a flippen' statue..

 

[ajules]

Yes, here is a protest that is apparently happening right now. Huge support clearly...

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By the way, only around 35% of people vote in SRC elections, so I'm rather amused as to how they can claim to represent the people.

I assume the Merc belongs to the Chairman of the SRC?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

This is getting more suspicious - SRC member accusing the SRC President of running a dictatorship:

https://twitter.com/nicoco_joy/status/577019841376317440

 

[AntiGanda]

Actually your point is a non sequitur. He said "invention" and never argued that the British were still in power. In fact it was De Klerk and an Afrikaans dominated party which decided to hand over power.

I'm way ahead of you.

With the British gone, is it fair to blame them for laws that continued for over 30 years? Who made and implemented the newer laws?