The UCT - Cecil John Rhodes Statue Thread

[Nick333]

And anti-Rhodes hysteria reaches new heights, as memorials to people who died in wars fought after his death are defaced...

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Yep, these animals have no idea what they are about. Rabble, rabble, rabble.

 

[ToxicBunny]

This angers me more than Rhodes. I don't care about the Rhodes statue, but this makes me sick.

The fact that even posters were stuck on there makes me want to punch someone.

I must admit, punching someone would be low on my priority of things to do to these cretins... drawing and quartering is more appropriate.

 

[Seriously]

Yes, because I was never taught the history of the Zulu people in school, and neither was anyone else who grew up during apartheid.
I also never learnt the history of any of the other indigenous people, except for a few things here and there which we were taught to show us how barbaric and savage the natives were.

Thanks for proving my point

Just as barbaric and savage as Winnie Mandela? and that was in modern recent history.

Then tell us about the different part of history we were never schooled about or are you admitting you do not know your version of the history and thus cannot tell us what is different from your perspective and thus are thus just doing off topic trolling in this thread about the history you know nothing about?

 

[ellyally]

And anti-Rhodes hysteria reaches new heights, as memorials to people who died in wars fought after his death are defaced...

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I guess they never learnt about all the black south african soldiers.

 

[ellyally]

Yes, because I was never taught the history of the Zulu people in school, and neither was anyone else who grew up during apartheid.
I also never learnt the history of any of the other indigenous people, except for a few things here and there which we were taught to show us how barbaric and savage the natives were.

Thanks for proving my point

Then why ask a question you don't know the answer to to try prove others wrong? You could have googled the answer first

 

[Nerfherder]

And anti-Rhodes hysteria reaches new heights, as memorials to people who died in wars fought after his death are defaced...

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Just showing how ignorant they are.

Its better they did that now.... so it can be nipped in the bud.

 

[etienne_marais]

Yes, because I was never taught the history of the Zulu people in school, and neither was anyone else who grew up during apartheid.
I also never learnt the history of any of the other indigenous people, except for a few things here and there which we were taught to show us how barbaric and savage the natives were.

Thanks for proving my point

Bull. I learned about the Zulus and other 'indigenous' people in an objective manner.

You just have preconceptions about everything that suits an evil, evil history, don't you.

And if it means anything to you, I am as willing to learn 'indigenous' history now as I was during my school years during evil, evil Apaathate.

 

[Sherbang]

Bull. I learned about the Zulus and other 'indigenous' people in an objective manner.

You just have preconceptions about everything that suits an evil, evil history, don't you.

And if it means anything to you, I am as willing to learn 'indigenous' history now as I was during my school years during evil, evil Apaathate.

Yes, I'm sure the apartheid government taught you an accurate and objective history of Africa

 

[ToxicBunny]

Bull. I learned about the Zulus and other 'indigenous' people in an objective manner.

You just have preconceptions about everything that suits an evil, evil history, don't you.

And if it means anything to you, I am as willing to learn 'indigenous' history now as I was during my school years during evil, evil Apaathate.

See, I'm not even "willing to learn" indigenous history.. I embrace it, I look out for it.. its interesting, just as interesting as World War history, and European, and Japanese history.

My overriding memory of history at school, is not what we were taught, but that we were taught to recognise history and embrace it and listen to it.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Just showing how ignorant they are.

Its better they did that now.... so it can be nipped in the bud.

That is only the beginning, the premises had been set to publically protest against colonialism, imperialism and white privilege, and being heard at the same time. This will advance into targeting white heritage as an whole… the only survivor may be the English language, though it had already been suggested to relegate the language into a secondary position. The Rhodes statue demands are systematically being met, and more demands will be communicated with the next movement.

This isn’t about changing history, this is about changing tomorrow. Other demographic groups will also be targeted at a later stage. My opinion means nothing in comparison with the masses.

 

[ProfA]

LOL 73 pages. Just get rid of the statue. Jeepers, its just a statue as so many like to say.

 

[etienne_marais]

Yes, I'm sure the apartheid government taught you an accurate and objective history of Africa

Seriously, I do not recall a negative portrayal, just to-the-point history. What I can say is that the spirit of the time was indeed racist, I just don't think it was reflected in the curriculum. I think you are biased and just want as much negativity associated with Apaathate as possible.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Hmmm...as I suspected - many of the Senate members are weaklings. Voting in such a way just to show 'solidarity with the students' ?

(Nicolli Natrass would be a member of the Senate as she is Professor. All professors are automatically members of the Senate)

The intolerance of the politics of pain was evident at the University Assembly held on Wednesday 25 March (subsequently viewable on YouTube). The Assembly provided an overdue opportunity for students and staff to express their pain over the Rhodes statue and other aspects of what is seen as a lack of ‘transformation’ at the university. But the expression of pain served to legitimate less laudable aspects of the Assembly. The Assembly was hijacked by a well-organised group of students implementing a carefully-prepared plan. Instead of allowing a rich diversity of voices to be heard, examples of racist commentary from the social media were used in an attempt to reduce the debate to ‘us’ (the pained) and ‘them’ (racist critics), whilst students who sought to express dissent were heckled and jeered. We suspect that there are very many students, both ‘black’ and ‘white’, who are disgusted by racism but remain unpersuaded by the SRC, and whose voices were silenced.

The undermining of deliberation was evident also at the meeting of the university’s Senate to discuss the Vice-Chancellor’s proposal to remove the statue. The politics of pain prevented serious debate over what should be done with the removed statue, and legitimated an amendment (to the Vice-Chancellor’s proposal) that the statue be removed off the University and permanently. Senate voted against the suggestion that the university should retain the option of relocating the statue into a university museum or gallery, as part of a critical examination of the nature of imperialism and privilege. The only substantive argument made for denying current and future students the opportunity of a museum was the supposed imperative of making an important political statement of solidarity with students and others who are pained by the statue. The politics of pain pushes us to the purification of ejecting the statue, not to engaging with it critically.

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2015-03-31-rhodes-and-the-politics-of-pain/#.VRvwy-GddfY

 

[Fazda]

LOL 73 pages. Just get rid of the statue. Jeepers, its just a statue as so many like to say.

It is NOT just about a statue - don't be naive!

Seriously, I do not recall a negative portrayal, just to-the-point history. What I can say is that the spirit of the time was indeed racist, I just don't think it was reflected in the curriculum. I think you are biased and just want as much negativity associated with Apaathate as possible.

Having taught under "Apartheid" rules, I was not forced to teach under their rules at all. There were several textbooks available, and believe it or not, we ( as teachers) could actually visit libraries and do our own research. I spent hundreds of hours buried in research before I entered a classroom, and nobody ever stopped me from teaching what I had learnt. The textbooks were occasionally referred to, simply for fill in material.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Hmmm...as I suspected - many of the Senate members are weaklings. Voting in such a way just to show 'solidarity with the students' ?

(Nicolli Natrass would be a member of the Senate as she is Professor. All professors are automatically members of the Senate)



http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2015-03-31-rhodes-and-the-politics-of-pain/#.VRvwy-GddfY

Do you agree with the rest of what she says?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Hmmm...as I suspected - many of the Senate members are weaklings. Voting in such a way just to show 'solidarity with the students' ?

(Nicolli Natrass would be a member of the Senate as she is Professor. All professors are automatically members of the Senate)



http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2015-03-31-rhodes-and-the-politics-of-pain/#.VRvwy-GddfY

This doesn't surprise me at all, this is not about democracy, or what the majority wants. This is a platform for a few to build a political career, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Nerfherder]

It is NOT just about a statue - don't be naive!

Having taught under "Apartheid" rules, I was not forced to teach under their rules at all. There were several textbooks available, and believe it or not, we ( as teachers) could actually visit libraries and do our own research. I spent hundreds of hours buried in research before I entered a classroom, and nobody ever stopped me from teaching what I had learnt. The textbooks were occasionally referred to, simply for fill in material.

I had teachers like that....made for some exiting history lessons

 

[Sherbang]

Seriously, I do not recall a negative portrayal, just to-the-point history. What I can say is that the spirit of the time was indeed racist, I just don't think it was reflected in the curriculum. I think you are biased and just want as much negativity associated with Apaathate as possible.

you really are obtuse aren't you?

Do you honestly think that the history that was taught during apartheid was accurate and unbiased? It didn't leave anything out? It didn't idolize some and demonize others?
If you believe that then I find it hard to believe you were even alive during apartheid or you would remember that everything was strictly controlled, censored and regulated to fit in with apartheid doctrine.

Tell me about the great black leaders you learned about at school during your history lessons. Which ones?
Tell me about how you studied the great African civilizations and empires that have existed.
Were you taught about the military genius of Shaka and the social innovations he introduced?
Did you learn about the meaningful contributions made by Africa to world history?
Did you learn about the African innovations in technology, government, social structure, art, and literature?


For example...

And tell me why you call apartheid 'Apaathate'

 

[Sherbang]

It is NOT just about a statue - don't be naive!

Having taught under "Apartheid" rules, I was not forced to teach under their rules at all. There were several textbooks available, and believe it or not, we ( as teachers) could actually visit libraries and do our own research. I spent hundreds of hours buried in research before I entered a classroom, and nobody ever stopped me from teaching what I had learnt. The textbooks were occasionally referred to, simply for fill in material.

Yes, because the apartheid government never banned books at all did they?

http://www.theliteraturepolice.com/

 

[OrbitalDawn]

This doesn't surprise me at all, this is not about democracy, or what the majority wants. This is a platform for a few to build a political career, nothing more and nothing less.

The struggle is real.