The UCT - Cecil John Rhodes Statue Thread

[Flanders]

Thoughts on someone like Shaka, especially in light of all the honorifics he's getting?

No no no. Come on now. Those are the wrong questions! LALALALALALALALA...

 

[sox63]

Do you have a link for me so I can read it as well?

The piece I am speaking of is on his profile on SA History

http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/cecil-john-rhodes

 

[Sinbad]

Thoughts on someone like Shaka, especially in light of all the honorifics he's getting?

It's fine for a black man to kill black people because that's obviously not racist, and he was the chief.
The white guy was racist, and not the chief.

 

[EtienneK]

Thoughts on someone like Shaka, especially in light of all the honorifics he's getting?

And while we're at it: sox63, please share your thoughts on the renaming of a street in Amanzintoti to "Andrew Zondo"?

 

[EtienneK]

The piece I am speaking of is on his profile on SA History

http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/cecil-john-rhodes

I do not trust this site! This is one of the sources I came across over the weekend. Seems very opinionated.

I made a thread earlier asking for better sources of SA history: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/691286-Reading-Listening-up-on-South-African-History

Anyone keen to share sources who view history from all sides?

 

[sox63]

Thoughts on someone like Shaka, especially in light of all the honorifics he's getting?

Cut from the same cloth. Both of them, like many other men in history had imperialistic asperations

 

[Flanders]

Cut from the same cloth. Both of them, like many other men in history had imperialistic asperations

Buuuuuuuut...his statue can stay?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Cut from the same cloth. Both of them, like many other men in history had imperialistic asperations

Yeah, agreed. I agree with the removal of Rhodes' statue, and would also like the Shaka honorifics removed. Would you agree?

 

[saor]

If those that admire him want to see his monument, then they can do it on private land.

Honestly - what do you think is more detrimental to the country right now: a.) an statue, or b.) corrupt leaders. Anybody who claims to give a **** about this country & is more concerned about a statue, in light of all the other more pressing issues - is seriously misguided.

 

[Albereth]

The piece I am speaking of is on his profile on SA History

http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/cecil-john-rhodes

It makes for an interesting read and probably explains why small pox blankets weren't handed out. Looks like CJR allowed the 'natives' to dodge a bullet. Makes it rather odd that they want to tear him down rather than put up even more statues.

 

[sox63]

And while we're at it: sox63, please share your thoughts on the renaming of a street in Amanzintoti to "Andrew Zondo"?

Fine by me. He was a soldier in war

 

[LazyLion]

The piece I am speaking of is on his profile on SA History

http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/cecil-john-rhodes

Thanks, horrible stuff... but unfortunately not unusual for the day.

 

[Albereth]

Fine by me. He was a soldier in war

Fine by me too - nothing wrong with driving over a dead terrorist.

 

[sox63]

Yeah, agreed. I agree with the removal of Rhodes' statue, and would also like the Shaka honorifics removed. Would you agree?

I would not. As descendant of people butchered by him in war, he was a particular tribe's King after all and I'm not bothered about it. Had it been in Mangaung or somewhere where I lived, I would have problems with it

 

[Nanfeishen]

Since when is UCT a Private University? Was the land not given to UCT?

The upper Campus is built on part of the Rhodes Estate, along with Kirstenbosch Gardens and Groote Schuur the old presidential residence done below UCT.
The Statue on campus was to commemorate his gift of the land for the establishment of the University.

Rhodes' final will[23] left a large area of land on the slopes of Table Mountain to the South African nation. Part of this estate became the upper campus of the University of Cape Town, another part became the Kirstenbosch National Botanical Garden,
..............
From 1910 to 1984 Rhodes' house in Cape Town, Groote Schuur, was the official Cape residence of the Prime Ministers of South Africa and continued as a presidential residence of P. W. Botha and F. W. De Klerk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Rhodes

 

[Sinbad]

Fine by me. He was a soldier in war

Soldiers are not allowed to engage noncombatants - Fourth geneva convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention

He was a war criminal.

 

[Albereth]

I would not. As descendant of people butchered by him in war, he was a particular tribe's King after all and I'm not bothered about it. Had it been in Mangaung or somewhere where I lived, I would have problems with it

Calling him a king is a bit of a stretch.

 

[sox63]

Honestly - what do you think is more detrimental to the country right now: a.) an statue, or b.) corrupt leaders. Anybody who claims to give a **** about this country & is more concerned about a statue, in light of all the other more pressing issues - is seriously misguided.

Are we not able to focus on many issues at once? Like I said, I was not bothered until I read up on him and just voiced my opinion. My life goes on to focus on other things

 

[Albereth]

Are we not able to focus on many issues at once? Like I said, I was not bothered until I read up on him and just voiced my opinion. My life goes on to focus on other things

I know that you're not everyone, but shouldn't everyone be doing that? Focussing on other things, that is?

 

[Sinbad]

I would not. As descendant of people butchered by him in war, he was a particular tribe's King after all and I'm not bothered about it. Had it been in Mangaung or somewhere where I lived, I would have problems with it

His statue and name are all over an international airport. You should have problems with it.