'There is no black person who can be racist'

[MrGray]

For anyone who may not be aware, or wants to research it, this stems from a philosophy that has sadly become quite prevalent in academic institutions and leftist political ideology. It’s called “critical theory” and it’s adherents genuinely believe that black people cannot be racist. Basically, this stems from a reframing of the concept of racism into terms defined by power relations, the idea being that any group perceived to be less powerful cannot be racist against a more powerful group. This is also the driving force behind the concept of “privilege” and “structural racism”. Personally, I think this is all demonstrably utter garbage, and a toxic ideology that does nothing more than foment hatred and drive a wedge between people. I used to think this was just a phase, but I’m starting to feel like we’re living in a modern remake of the Weimar Republic and this will not end well.

 

[Fulcrum29]

For anyone who may not be aware, or wants to research it, this stems from a philosophy that has sadly become quite prevalent in academic institutions and leftist political ideology. It’s called “critical theory” and it’s adherents genuinely believe that black people cannot be racist. Basically, this stems from a reframing of the concept of racism into terms defined by power relations, the idea being that any group perceived to be less powerful cannot be racist against a more powerful group. This is also the driving force behind the concept of “privilege” and “structural racism”. Personally, I think this is all demonstrably utter garbage, and a toxic ideology that does nothing more than foment hatred and drive a wedge between people. I used to think this was just a phase, but I’m starting to feel like we’re living in a modern remake of the Weimar Republic and this will not end well.

You do know that critical theory has been deemed racist? Just go have a look at the legislation being pushed in the USA and what has happened at UCT.

 

[RonSwanson]

'There is no black person who can be racist' - EFF's Floyd Shivambu in Black Lives Matter debate | News24

The EFF's Floyd Shivambu said the murder of George Floyd presented an opportunity for the world to deal with racism.

www.news24.com

Do black people really believe this? How do they not see how racist they have become towards whites? This is the EFF after all, they take anything to a new level of stupidity!

It's ironic, but many (black people) believe that it is true

 

[Flanders]

I had no idea Flanders was a Springbok player, I will show more respect in future.

Yes, because BLM-style insanity is limited to the Springboks.

You're talking about being paid to go against a narrative? Good luck, pal. It doesn't work like that.

Good thing we don't need to worry about it though because it's BS that all white people are racist and BS that all black people are incapable of it, right?

 

[skimread]

What is racism? Seeing another as inferior to yourself or hating another? if the former then he is right. Black people can't be racist. His party doesn't see whites as inferior to blacks. His party instead doesn't tolerate whites at all. To be eliminated by murder if need be. Their view is that black people cannot be racist but can only be xenophobic. And justifiable so. They, as black people have the capability to not tolerate anyone they label, and it can be people of the same race. Whites however have the capability to be racist. If whites get murdered by someone xenophobic, they see it as the murderer has a characteristic that is less than theirs that cause them to commit the crime. Thats why they label them as inferior slurs when their family members get killed.

He is right. Black people can't be racist and white people can't be xenophobic.
Xenophobia leads to hiring people for xenophobic qualities rather than skill. How loyal are you to those in power and how against those who are labelled as your enemy? Good. You get the job. Don't worry about skill. Jobs are ceremonial since eliminating the other person is the victory. You don't get fired for doing a bad job. Just redeployed at worse. This is why African countries are so corrupt and why its people suffer. This is exemplified by when they ululate. They don't ululate with a job well done. They ululate when awarded the position. When the enemy is defeated. When there are ceremonial occasions to celebrate being in control. They don't have slavery, they have militarism. Look at how South Africa was organized before white settlers arrived. Tribes were practicing Xenophobia. Wiping out other tribes. So much so that their Zula Kraals were designed with defensive ring to protect against warring tribes. Tribes were militaristic. Just a fancy word for not tolerating someone else.

Racism is the idea that a person cannot obtain a skill or achieve. It is proven false when a person has that skill. Xenophobia in comparison cannot be proven false.
Throughout history you have great symbols who have overcome racism using pacifism. Martin Luther King, Mandela, Gandhi. Pacifism cannot overcome xenophobia. Pacifism in a xenophobia dominated culture is called genocide or slaughter.

Those that you are xenophobic against can help you, be charitable, dedicate their lives to helping the country. Yet when it comes down to it xenophobia won't take that into account. That is what Malema means when he says whites won't be killed, yet. Only when needed.
Xenophobia can kill and justify murder and intolerance. it cannot justify discrimination. That is why BEE laws and exclusion laws will never be seen as discrimination.
Racism cannot justify murder and intolerance but can justify discrimination. That is why family member use animal slurs against those who murdered their family, rather than take vengeance, out of fear they become that they see as inferior. The world will never be balanced.

World has alternated between racism and xenophobia since the dawn of man. It's part of man's nature. Just different words were used. Slavery, caste system, nobility, discrimination and racism.
On other side you have militarism, death camps, gulags, xenophobia and intolerance.
Words will change. Cycle will continue

What are human rights? That depends what the dominant values of our time are.
Currently the world it is against racism. If you wear a shirt that says black live matter but not a sign or you don't kneel then you are racist. If someone advocates xenophobia and murder it's because their ancestors were victims of racism. Don't go against it. Don't complain. This is man's laws that change through history. it will change. The question is just when. Maybe in our lifetime. Maybe not.

 

[TysonRoux]

What is racism? Seeing another as inferior to yourself or hating another? if the former then he is right. Black people can't be racist.

Where the fark did you get this info?

Same question applies for the rest of the gobbledygook.

 

[skimread]

Where the fark did you get this info?

Same question applies for the rest of the gobbledygook.

It's a question that says the answer is dependent on how you view racism. Do I have to explain to you what a question mark means. What "if" means?

Gobblygook? Are you are racist and triggered by what I said? Karen is that you?

 

[TysonRoux]

It's a question that says the answer is dependent on how you view racism. Do I have to explain to you what a question mark means. What "if" means?

Gobblygook? Are you are racist and triggered by what I said? Karen is that you?

BS

"if the former then he is right. Black people can't be racist." - that is not a question, it's a statement.

Laughing at gobbledygook makes me racist, LOL, yeah right - I don't even know your race and don't give a fark what it is.

 

[skimread]

BS

"if the former then he is right. Black people can't be racist." - that is not a question, it's a statement.

I said it's a question of semantics based on what your definition of racism is. Hence the question mark and the "if".

His definition of racism is not the same as yours.
The HRC's definition is not the same as yours.
That is one thing everyone can agree on.

 

[neoprema]

Floyd's eyes look like he's been hitting that booze the night before.

 

[skimread]

Barend Strydom agrees with Floyd

(In the context of my previous post) Ironically you are right. Barend Strydom is a good example why black people can't be racist. Barend Strydom was sentenced to death by the white NP government. Why? Because the NP government at the time was racist i.e. saw black people as inferior and by their definition that meant having lesser moral character than whites. When you get a white person killing blacks that illusion or moral superiority by the NP government is destroyed and by their own values, they have no other option but to sentence him to death. The NP government valued above all moral superiority because of their protestant upbringing that they justified by creating laws to discriminate. However, the ANC had a problem They had people like Robert McBride who targeted and murdered white civilians. They needed to get McBride off the hook. They ANC negotiations argued murdering for a political purpose is not murder but politically motivated. In relenting to this request the NP government had a problem. They saw themselves as morally superior. They had applied everyone is treated fairly by their own laws. It meant they had no choice but to set Barned Strydom free as well. A man they themselves previously convicted to death. A man they themselves called morally reprehensible.

How do white people view Robert McBride? With slurs like terrorist and murderer. This might be a dictionary correct definition. But they look down on him based on moral characteristics. As if they wouldn't make the same decisions he did if they were in his shoes. That itself is discrimination. How do the ANC view McBride? Today the murderer Robert McBride gets the most sensitive high paying government positions. Despite being a murderer who targeted civilians, despite a history of corruption.

 

[skimread]

Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong
-Mohammed Ali

By quoting something Mohammed Ali said doesn't support the current argument.

You have to apply your quotes to the current movement. Saying Ali's quote today is like saying all lives matter and by doing so today you will get labeled as a right wing supremist. Ironic isn't it?

The BLM movement idea is that racism against black people is not just hate, but systemic. meaning it impacts them in various ways, schooling, policing, access to health, equal pay, job opportunities, housing, cultural appropriation, symbols of the past, and so many other ways. It's not limited to hate. Their argument is it is systemic.

 

[skimread]

"if the former then he is right. Black people can't be racist." - that is not a question, it's a statement.

Language is not like science. There is no definitive interpretation with language and you can have different semantic meanings.
The title of the thread and his statement makes it open for discussion.
In that context, asking a question with choices followed by a question mark, followed by an if, is using a supposition.

 

[skimread]

For anyone who may not be aware, or wants to research it, this stems from a philosophy that has sadly become quite prevalent in academic institutions and leftist political ideology. It’s called “critical theory” and it’s adherents genuinely believe that black people cannot be racist.

Words are experiencing semantic shifts. Racism in 2020 is a prime example. Yet people are too stupid to realize it and make like language is static. Words meaning have semantically been changing since language was invented. Movies, statues, books tv shows and sport team names are being removed because of these semantic shifts.

I don't mind semantic shifts. My concern is that philosophy is now being seen as statements. Everyone has an agenda or want an outcome. Philosophical debates are seen as political statements supporting a narrative for or against a cause. Philosophy is interpreted as politics.

Philosophizing in public died out in 2020. Philosophers are burnt at the stake. No one noticed. No one cares.
What matters is who has the most social media followers.
Who is the most woke?
Who is the biggest suck-up?
Don't comply to group think, get fired, lose your job, get labelled x or y.

 

[IT_Steven]

What is racism? Seeing another as inferior to yourself or hating another? if the former then he is right. Black people can't be racist. His party doesn't see whites as inferior to blacks. His party instead doesn't tolerate whites at all. To be eliminated by murder if need be. Their view is that black people cannot be racist but can only be xenophobic. And justifiable so. They, as black people have the capability to not tolerate anyone they label, and it can be people of the same race. Whites however have the capability to be racist. If whites get murdered by someone xenophobic, they see it as the murderer has a characteristic that is less than theirs that cause them to commit the crime. Thats why they label them as inferior slurs when their family members get killed.

He is right. Black people can't be racist and white people can't be xenophobic.
Xenophobia leads to hiring people for xenophobic qualities rather than skill. How loyal are you to those in power and how against those who are labelled as your enemy? Good. You get the job. Don't worry about skill. Jobs are ceremonial since eliminating the other person is the victory. You don't get fired for doing a bad job. Just redeployed at worse. This is why African countries are so corrupt and why its people suffer. This is exemplified by when they ululate. They don't ululate with a job well done. They ululate when awarded the position. When the enemy is defeated. When there are ceremonial occasions to celebrate being in control. They don't have slavery, they have militarism. Look at how South Africa was organized before white settlers arrived. Tribes were practicing Xenophobia. Wiping out other tribes. So much so that their Zula Kraals were designed with defensive ring to protect against warring tribes. Tribes were militaristic. Just a fancy word for not tolerating someone else.

Racism is the idea that a person cannot obtain a skill or achieve. It is proven false when a person has that skill. Xenophobia in comparison cannot be proven false.
Throughout history you have great symbols who have overcome racism using pacifism. Martin Luther King, Mandela, Gandhi. Pacifism cannot overcome xenophobia. Pacifism in a xenophobia dominated culture is called genocide or slaughter.

Those that you are xenophobic against can help you, be charitable, dedicate their lives to helping the country. Yet when it comes down to it xenophobia won't take that into account. That is what Malema means when he says whites won't be killed, yet. Only when needed.
Xenophobia can kill and justify murder and intolerance. it cannot justify discrimination. That is why BEE laws and exclusion laws will never be seen as discrimination.
Racism cannot justify murder and intolerance but can justify discrimination. That is why family member use animal slurs against those who murdered their family, rather than take vengeance, out of fear they become that they see as inferior. The world will never be balanced.

World has alternated between racism and xenophobia since the dawn of man. It's part of man's nature. Just different words were used. Slavery, caste system, nobility, discrimination and racism.
On other side you have militarism, death camps, gulags, xenophobia and intolerance.
Words will change. Cycle will continue

What are human rights? That depends what the dominant values of our time are.
Currently the world it is against racism. If you wear a shirt that says black live matter but not a sign or you don't kneel then you are racist. If someone advocates xenophobia and murder it's because their ancestors were victims of racism. Don't go against it. Don't complain. This is man's laws that change through history. it will change. The question is just when. Maybe in our lifetime. Maybe not.

You should go work for Trump.

 

[rietrot]

People give this nonsense way to much attention because it is outrageous. That does popularise the idea and make it more credible in turn.

 

[skimread]

You should go work for Trump.

The description you quoted in my post of what the left vs right is throughout history won't make me popular with the Republic party.

 

[grok]

All this whilst stating, "our continuous task as we develop our democracy", uhm... we are moving away, surely Lamola knows this as the Justice and Correctional Services Minister?

Yeah but if you can make up your own definitions like blacks can't be racists, then lying can be defined as speaking the truth..

So too can you have separate definitions of democracy, and stealing from other blacks' stokvels.

Useful tool to bend the world to your (skewed) world view.

 

[Vorastra]

I see there's a lot of arguing here but can we all agree that we want to give Floyd a good PK?

 

[Ninja'd]

2010

Black People Can't Be Racist

DiversityInc CEO Luke Visconti's response to a question about whether Kanye West was racist when he said former President George W. Bush "doesn't care about Black people" triggered some confused e-mails. Here, Visconti explains the difference between a racist and a bigot, and why Black people...

www.diversityinc.com

So if I have this right an Ethiopian and Japanese can be racist in their respective countries but when they're in America it's bigotry?