'There is no black person who can be racist'

[Ponderer]

Xenophobia can apply to any foreigners, not just people of a different racial grop... E.G the attitudes towards Polish people by some in the UK. They are all Caucasians (mostly) but there have been definite issues with UK natives directing hatred towards Poles who have come to the UK as part of the EU freedom of movement.

See post #79.

 

[R13...]

Floyd, his EFF goonery and other associated black people along with some here on myBB ignore this part of the definition for racism:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

The definition isn't limited to superiority complexes.

 

[Ponderer]

Take your definition to the HRC. Lose your case there. Take that definition to court charging a black man with racism. Lose your case and take them to the constitutional court. lose your case there
If people educated in definitions, who have to apply definitions according to the law can't see blacks as racist then surely you must admit there has been a semantic shift.
At what point will you agree a semantic shift has happened?


With the world becoming more and more mixed you are not getting pure race people. You will find it hard to find someone in the US that is pure race one way or the other. How does the definition of ethnicity change based on most people being mixed race in the US? Look at the Kamala Harris that is currently news all the time. Is she black or is she Indian? What about Obama? His mother is white. The world is grey. Not black and white. Identity politics have changed the world. Debating if something is seen as racist will be seen as racist. That is how the definition of the word has changed. Even in South African laws other races like Chinese as well as white women, were included in the term Black. The definition of black was changed to those that have been discriminated against.

Do you not believe in semantic shift? What about the word gay? It changed meaning to the point its original meaning of being happy and merry is not used at all. Like it or not culture and laws change. Words are man-made and change as well.

Are you arguing that it is imperative that we must forsake sound logic/reasoning and embrace stupidity?

 

[skimread]

Are you arguing that it is imperative that we must forsake sound logic/reasoning and embrace stupidity?

Language is a reflection of a society's culture and its perception of the world; as it relays information, it demonstrates how a certain society takes in, processes, evaluates, and conveys that information.

Do you agree or disagree?

Are you one of those religious nutters who believe that God inspired the Bible through all the translations and not context of words and meaning have changed?

 

[Aghori]

You guys sure do love to discuss things with long-winded and often meaningless input and arguments.

TL;DR - Anybody can be racist. It's natural to feel more comfortable with members of your own race. It's not wrong to not want to socialise/associate with other races. This is generally the norm, but there are exceptions.

 

[Ponderer]

Language is a reflection of a society's culture and its perception of the world; as it relays information, it demonstrates how a certain society takes in, processes, evaluates, and conveys that information.

Do you agree or disagree?

Are you one of those religious nutters who believe that God inspired the Bible through all the translations and not context of words and meaning have changed?

Language is simply a medium that is used to communicate with others.
You are trying to hard to be clever.

I am quite familiar with the concept of semantics.
Don't know what sparked the "religious nutter" jibe at me.

 

[skimread]

You guys sure do love to discuss things with long-winded and often meaningless input and arguments.

TL;DR - Anybody can be racist. It's natural to feel more comfortable with members of your own race. It's not wrong to not want to socialise/associate with other races. This is generally the norm, but there are exceptions.

No the definition of racism is changing with the world's culture changes i.e. with the world becoming mixed race. Now racism is turned into characteristics. We are becoming more and more different all unique but people still need a way to discriminate or to put themselves ahead of each other by claiming to be part of a group.
You might think it is absurd now but you have to agree it is moving in that direction. There is so many examples of it. That is the ways laws are interpreted by judges. The language they will use. South African laws are an example of it. Laws are blatantly racist yet no one calls it that unless you don't care about the consequence. if you scientifically analyze the usage of language and its interpretation you can come into no other conclusion that words are undergoing semantic shifts. Why is this so hard for people to accept?

 

[skimread]

Don't know what sparked the "religious nutter" jibe at me.

I mention semantic shift in the meaning of the word. In common day use and legal interpretation. The legal interpretation has already changed. I provide examples like how the word gay has changed from its original meaning.
Then you answer this.

Are you arguing that it is imperative that we must forsake sound logic/reasoning and embrace stupidity?

You are saying exclude anything but the original definition of the word.
Ironically this itself is seen as racist in debates today e.g. BLM vs ALM. It's really divisive that all discussion turns into that same toxic mud hole that is happening everywhere. It's a pity that people don't have their own intellectual thought anymore.

 

[Ponderer]

You guys sure do love to discuss things with long-winded and often meaningless input and arguments.

TL;DR - Anybody can be racist. It's natural to feel more comfortable with members of your own race. It's not wrong to not want to socialise/associate with other races. This is generally the norm, but there are exceptions.

100% agree.
Treat others as you would like them to treat you.
Respect others as you would like them to respect you.

 

[RaptorSA]

While getting older, there's one thing about people that truly stands out to me more and more and it's the pervasiveness of projection, probably due to the subconscious mind actually able to see something for what it is, but then the prefrontal cortex comes along and spins its own brand of ideology on top of it by doing a 180° as part of some weakness inspired form of self-preservation.

By now you would have seen the term "white fragility" over and over again, the only thing interesting about that term is the inevitability of its existence once you realize how common projection is and even the most simplistic person can immediately detect what it's about, a projection from someone about a deep-seated lack of self-confidence over some immutable characteristic about themselves. Ironically we can even borrow and SJW term to describe it, "internalized racism" if you want to sound like a poephol.

Black people with this mentality really need to get over themselves, so should self-hating whites. Like it or not, that's the cold hard truth, Unfortunately, no-one else can help with this issue or do anything about it, it's purely up to the individual and requires strength, self-confidence and conviction, something that is sorely lacking in society today, crosses all cultural and racial boundaries and is extremely obvious when we compare our current status quo to that of days past.

Weakness is a disease and gives rise to an entire litany of societal ills and problems, self-projection being one of them, from the individual itself right up to the echelons of power. Socialism and communism is nothing but the breadbasket of weakness, no wonder it's spreading again. You'll notice that all of the well known conservative black people online these days distinctly lack this form of self-hatred, and are all well-liked, balanced and awesome individuals. Pernicious bastards like this Floyd d00s is the living, breathing incarnation of weakness and the f**ing thing knows it deep down.

I really wish there was a way to spoonfeed this to people, it's becoming increasingly tiresome to deal with this when all one wants is to be left alone and lead a decent life.

The average person is getting gatvol of hearing about race, to the point where it sometimes feels like it's time to embrace an extremist view over it, just so it can be settled once and for all. It's an incredibly dangerous idea we're toying with these days and the sad part is we're doing it to ourselves for no good reason.

 

[Ponderer]

While getting older, there's one thing about people that truly stands out to me more and more and it's the pervasiveness of projection, probably due to the subconscious mind actually able to see something for what it is, but then the prefrontal cortex comes along and spins its own brand of ideology on top of it by doing a 180°

By now you would have seen the term "white fragility" over and over again, and even the most simplistic person can immediately detect what it's about, a projection from someone about a deep-seated lack of self-confidence over some immutable characteristic about themselves.

Black people with this mentality really need to get over themselves. Unfortunately, no-one else can help with that issue or do anything about it, it's purely up to the individual. You'll notice that all of the well known conservative black people online these days distinctly lack this form of self-hatred, and are all well-liked, balanced and awesome individuals.

I really wish there was a way to spoonfeed this to people, it's becoming increasingly tiresome to deal with this when all one wants is to be left alone and lead a decent life.

The average person is getting gatvol of hearing about race, to the point where it sometimes feels like it's time to embrace an extremist view over it, just so it can be settled once and for all. It's an incredibly dangerous idea we're toying with these days and the sad part is we're doing it to ourselves for no good reason.

Well said.

 

[konfab]

Postmodernism has taken a concept with a fairly concrete meaning and made it mean just about anything.
So normal people would think racism is generally: "Being horrible to a person based on their race".

Fast forward to 2017:

According to Battey, there are ways in which math teachers, math educators, and math researchers “are perpetuating racism in schools”—which is shaping the expectations, interactions, and kinds of mathematics that students experience. And the lack of attention to whiteness as the fundamental cause leaves it invisible and neutral. “Naming white institutional spaces, as well as identifying the mechanisms that oppress and privilege students, can give those who work in the field of mathematics education specific ideas of how to better combat racist structures,” writes Battey and his co-author Luis Leyva, of Vanderbilt University’s Peabody College of Education .

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/04/racist-math-education/524199/

This is the same logic as the ScienceMustFall idiots.

Which all boils down to what Orwell coined perfectly, with the concept of 2+2=5. In which a bunch of science-loving woke people are actually defending.
https://thepostmillennial.com/two-plus-two-does-not-equal-five-no-matter-what-twitter-says

No foundation in some form of objective reality allows you to engage in all sorts of fun things, like a perfectly unaware of doublethink
A statement like: " blacks can't be racist because they "never ever" think that they are superior to any other race."

Is contradictory because not being racist in their eyes makes you a superior person.
This is a hallmark of totalitarians everywhere:

We are for the withering away of the state, and at the same time we stand for the strengthening of the dictatorship, which represents the most powerful and mighty of all forms of the state which have existed up to the present day. The highest development of the power of the state, with the object of preparing the conditions of the withering away of the state: that is the Marxist formula. Is it "contradictory"? Yes, it is "contradictory." But this contradiction is a living thing and wholly reflects the Marxist dialectic.

How do you fight this? You start with accepting that there is an objective reality.

 

[ForceFate]

100% agree.
Treat others as you would like them to treat you.
Respect others as you would like them to respect you.

There are exceptions. People with deeply ingrained racism don't care either way, and would often go out of their way to offend. This is an observation of mine over the years.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Lol Floyd. Why do so many black people put up with muppets who make stupid, nonsensical statements.
I suppose the same can be said about whites.

He whaddya know... We are all human after all.
Ergo none of us can be racist, we all come from the same human race. It's not racism. It's hate.

Floyd has it in spades it seems.

 

[surface]

Wow. It is normal not to want to socialise/associate with other races ? I never knew this. That is why I come here & learn so much on mybb.

 

[Ponderer]

“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” — Eleanor Roosevelt

"For heaven's sake, enjoy life. Don't cry over things that were or things that aren't." — Barbara Bush

 

[ponder]

Xenophobia is generalised to hatred of people from outside the borders whereas racism is race specific. A simplified example...

Xenophobe: I don't want Ugandans in my country.
Racist: I don't want black people in my country.

The Ugandans expelled the Indians, they were both from outside the country & different 'race'...

When local politicians scream whites must fsckoff back to europe are they being xenophobic or racist?

At the end of the day it's the same thing however you wanna spin it...

 

[xumwun]

noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

2. Also called in·sti·tu·tion·al rac·ism [in-sti-too-shuh-nl, -tyoo-], struc·tur·al rac·ism [struhk-cher-uhl] . a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine, as promoted by the dominant group in a society to preserve the continued dominance of that group; racial discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

A black person is quite capable of definition 3

 

[RonSwanson]

Maybe he is a forumite and thinks racism is JuSt wOrDs

I was merely pointing out the irony of the statement: One group of people saying that they are superior to another group, because the former group cannot be racist. It's a laugh-a-minute.

 

[ForceFate]

The Ugandans expelled the Indians, they were both from outside the country & different race...

When local polititions scream whites must fsckoff back to europe are they being xenophobic or racist?

At the end of the day it's the same thing however you wanna spin it...

Spin? Why would I want to spin it? It's based on my understanding.

Idi Amin was the other side of Hitler, minus the gas chambers. Their agenda was driven mostly by racism.

As was pointed out above, white British citizens are often xenophobic towards the Poles and Romanians.