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There is no hell because no one has observed it.
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The argument that God only exist in an ever receding pocket of ignorance refutes the concept of god that uneducated people held for a small time during the dark ages. It doesn't even refute literal young earth creationism as they will also claim to follow the same science that doesn't refute God, were they only interpret the timelines differently.
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Atheism is the decision by any person for any reason to decide that there is no God.
Sanity, education and logic do not enter the equation at this point. Atheism in itself suffers from a lot of illogical conclusions... the same illogical conclusions that Theism does.
As an Example, the Fallacy of the illicit negative, confirmation bias, Choice supportive bias and the entrenchment effect.
This does not mean that all Atheists or Theists are wrong but I've met very few who can give a well reasoned argument without falling into the various logical, cognitive or augmentative bias's which tend to skew our views.
Ergo, Atheists and Theist fall into the same logical traps to support their beliefs and somehow believe each other to be fundamentally wrong when committing the same fallacy's.
The primary logical fallacy that both sides suffer from is the Black/White Fallacy.
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Sanity, education and logic do not enter the equation at this point. Atheism in itself suffers from a lot of illogical conclusions... the same illogical conclusions that Theism does.
As an Example, the Fallacy of the illicit negative, confirmation bias, Choice supportive bias and the entrenchment effect.
This does not mean that all Atheists or Theists are wrong but I've met very few who can give a well reasoned argument without falling into the various logical, cognitive or augmentative bias's which tend to skew our views.
Ergo, Atheists and Theist fall into the same logical traps to support their beliefs and somehow believe each other to be fundamentally wrong when committing the same fallacy's.
The primary logical fallacy that both sides suffer from is the Black/White Fallacy.
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We can just 'believe' such a thing does not exist - like the other team - and be done with it.
Occam's razor I believe it is called?
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100% this. Maybe he can explain better what he means. The dark ages were not by any means the only portion of human history where God was receiding. The advances we've made in the last 100 years do the exact same thing. Psychology, physiology, medical scientific progress. We know that taking medicine removes pain and heals wounds that no amount of prayer can magically fix.
There is a fine line between overthinking it and intellectual laziness. A lot of people suffer from the latter and while those in the former should exercise WIFOM.
Most people just don't think enough about their stance, preferring rather to entrench their thoughts into their beliefs and then wrap it up with choice supportive bias and confirmation bias.
In essence, we have a 2 intellectually lazy sides clinging to their beliefs..
There's a third side, which ironically is covered by the bible that simply says the "God" is beyond understanding. We're proving through the sciences, that the universe is far wackier than we thought it was.
When I went to school, Matter had only 3 states. Solid, liquid and Gas. Now we have 6, with possibly a lot more on the way.
Then try and wrap your head around the 4th and 8th dimensions and then extrapolate that into what kind of "person" would be able to create ours. Then you start to get a glimpse of not understanding what or who God is.
I would rather get people to see they're being very narrow minded about the whole thing. Using beliefs that are now thousands of years old, use their god given intellect to adapt to the incredible vista the universe is turning out to be.
Most people just don't think enough about their stance, preferring rather to entrench their thoughts into their beliefs and then wrap it up with choice supportive bias and confirmation bias.
In essence, we have a 2 intellectually lazy sides clinging to their beliefs..
There's a third side, which ironically is covered by the bible that simply says the "God" is beyond understanding. We're proving through the sciences, that the universe is far wackier than we thought it was.
When I went to school, Matter had only 3 states. Solid, liquid and Gas. Now we have 6, with possibly a lot more on the way.
Then try and wrap your head around the 4th and 8th dimensions and then extrapolate that into what kind of "person" would be able to create ours. Then you start to get a glimpse of not understanding what or who God is.
I would rather get people to see they're being very narrow minded about the whole thing. Using beliefs that are now thousands of years old, use their god given intellect to adapt to the incredible vista the universe is turning out to be.
For not a collective, you certainly use "we" a lot
Atheism, is reached because of a variety of factors as is Theism. However, the two view points are actually polar opposites in belief and can therefore be compared to each other.
Observation of both groups of people has lead me to observe what I said before.
I don't see how that is incorrect though
Atheism, is reached because of a variety of factors as is Theism. However, the two view points are actually polar opposites in belief and can therefore be compared to each other.
Observation of both groups of people has lead me to observe what I said before.
I don't see how that is incorrect though
For not a collective, you certainly use "we" a lot
Atheism, is reached because of a variety of factors as is Theism. However, the two view points are actually polar opposites in belief and can therefore be compared to each other.
Observation of both groups of people has lead me to observe what I said before.
I don't see how that is incorrect though
Atheism, is reached because of a variety of factors as is Theism. However, the two view points are actually polar opposites in belief and can therefore be compared to each other.
Observation of both groups of people has lead me to observe what I said before.
I don't see how that is incorrect though
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Every god which can fit into the following catagory:
God
ɡɒd/
noun
God
ɡɒd/
noun
- 1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. - 2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.