Things have only gotten worse': French Jews are fleeing their country

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C4Cat said:
It looks like a good book actually (I just bought the audible version, so will give it a go). Like all books though, and history in general, it will present an incomplete story of Europe and the reasons why Europe is as it is today.

When talking about the 'decline' of Europe, what are you talking about exactly? Decline from when? It's more peaceful in Europe now than in previous times and Europe is thriving economically with the EU as a whole being the second wealthiest and second largest economy in the world - so from which point has it declined?
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Decline from what would be a better measurement I think, personally I think Europe probably reached it's peak at about 2000 and has been steadily circling the drain since.

Peace is a bad measurement since war is only the visible and generally final stage of conflict.
 
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rambo919 said:
Peace is a bad measurement since war is only the visible and generally final stage of conflict.
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Europe has been at peace for the last 70 years, for the first time in recorded history. I would say that's a pretty good measurement. The whole world is, and will always be, a decline from what would be a better measurement.

Just out of interest, where in the world would be your preferred place to live, if you could live anywhere?
 
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Europe has been at peace for the last 70 years, for the first time in recorded history. I would say that's a pretty good measurement. The whole world is, and will always be, a decline from what would be a better measurement.
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And yet divisions are flaring up again under the surface, many foresee another european civil war soon, soon being relative.
EDIT: some have even predicted that a sucessful Brexit could start festivities though I am skeptical.
 
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C4Cat said:
It looks like a good book actually (I just bought the audible version, so will give it a go). Like all books though, and history in general, it will present an incomplete story of Europe and the reasons why Europe is as it is today.
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It is well worth reading some detailed criticism of the book. It does ignore pretty much everything that doesn't fit with the author's premise. I don't know whether that was intentional or merely a reflection of the author's narrow view.

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Anyone read the "The Strange Death Of Europe" ??
The idiotic liberal left are responsible for the decline of Europe. Merkel, Macron, May, Löfven are traitors to the west.
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So you're saying that the very ideals of freedom will lead to a fall. Because its those ideals that have led Europe to where it is now.
 
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MirageF1 said:
The complicity of the Vichy government with the Nazis only cemented that fact.
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All ignoring the French government in exile and the French Resistance.

French Jews had one of the highest survival rates of those Jews that fell under Nazi control or the control of collaborative governments. An estimated 75% of France's 340,000 Jews survived the Holocaust. The French are the third-most represented nationality in the Righteous Among the Nations.

In 1943 the French government in exile restored French citizenship to all Jews that had been stripped of it under Vichy and then Nazi control.

The French were not nearly as bad as the collaborators in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Of course there were those that eagerly participated and anti-Semitism had been rife across Europe for centuries, but it's not as if the French were off their heads with bloodlust.
 
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