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Yup.
Best thing that has happened in my work life is React's shift to functional components.
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Best thing that has happened in my work life is React's shift to functional components.
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Code:
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May the code always be with you!At least three hours? Not going further. GL to everyone else.
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azbob
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Hope not. That would be too low by mybb standards. Probably weekly.
Amazing programme to get people with aptitude and 2 years of internship into corporates. You don't learn enough on the programme but the corporates get to see who has potential to become a junior dev. This is what SA needs more of, junior artisanal programmes across all disciplines that have a shortage.
Better be. WTH are you going to do with 20k per month before taxes?
R20k is fine... it's entry-level employment to a big corporate. If you're any good you'll get bumped up quick. Beats being someone that has potential and is unemployed.
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I still code in COBOL .
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Emjay
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I just recall Spectrum Basic where pressing a key on the keyboard autocompleted the command, P for Print and L for LET and er.. V for CLS?
That and LPRINT that would print on that shiny silver paper.
Johnatan56
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Met some guys at a root hackathon that came from wethinkcode, the one was ending his second year, he was okay at coding, the others were just terrible.
The issue he had was that a lot of companies pulled out of the program, so he wasn't going to get placement at the end of it, wethinkcode just left him high and dry, he had to find his own position.
Interesting partner list: https://www.wethinkcode.co.za/partnerwithus
Most of those are mostly front-end stuff, e.g. Yomoco, Limabean, Rhino Africa. I don't think the latter two pay that well if I remember correctly, though that's based on history, only saw a Lima Bean dev position float around a couple of months ago for like R20-30k pm pre-tax for an intermediate and around R30-40k senior. I do know they underpaid interns/juniors substantially a few years ago, and the company was pretty much falling apart, hopefully they got a wake-up call.
R20k for ~1 year of experience isn't that great though as an average, as that means most are getting around R15-16k probably and then some more exceptional people are managing to snag the more normal R25k junior positions, dragging the average up. I also wonder if that R240k includes bonus, so R18k pm pre-tax, that's really not great.
Going to e.g. do a diploma is probably better, it's one year more and NQF 6. Your Bsc is usually NQF7, technikon side it's advanced diploma, then honors or post graduate is NQF8, masters NQF9, doctorate NQF10.
You should usually try and at least get to NQF7 now, the diploma and advanced diploma are pretty easy, only apply for something like wethinkcode if you can't possibly get in anywhere and you can't do remote learning via UNISA, wethinkcode is still self-learning, so is pretty much the same thing, and getting an internship or junior position if you manage to get to 2 year UNISA and actually do code outside of it, will be pretty easy while you'll get a way better degree/education.
Code camps are definitely not a replacement for university level, that said, you can self-learn all of it, e.g. MIT open courseware has quite a lot of amazing content.
And to continue on the partner list:
EOH: lost huge amounts of devs
Limabean: was falling apart and underpays
Rhino Africa: tourism
BXC: doing job cuts
Atos: very bad salaries if I remember correctly, you're also a cog
Stackworz: cookie cutter web dev agency, but you get to build "apps"
Triggerfish: animation studio, not sure why you'd want to intern here.
Tourvest: tourism.
A third of that list are not great companies to intern at, that's just from the companies I know on that list, I haven't actually checked any of them in-depth.
The issue he had was that a lot of companies pulled out of the program, so he wasn't going to get placement at the end of it, wethinkcode just left him high and dry, he had to find his own position.
Interesting partner list: https://www.wethinkcode.co.za/partnerwithus
Most of those are mostly front-end stuff, e.g. Yomoco, Limabean, Rhino Africa. I don't think the latter two pay that well if I remember correctly, though that's based on history, only saw a Lima Bean dev position float around a couple of months ago for like R20-30k pm pre-tax for an intermediate and around R30-40k senior. I do know they underpaid interns/juniors substantially a few years ago, and the company was pretty much falling apart, hopefully they got a wake-up call.
R20k for ~1 year of experience isn't that great though as an average, as that means most are getting around R15-16k probably and then some more exceptional people are managing to snag the more normal R25k junior positions, dragging the average up. I also wonder if that R240k includes bonus, so R18k pm pre-tax, that's really not great.
Going to e.g. do a diploma is probably better, it's one year more and NQF 6. Your Bsc is usually NQF7, technikon side it's advanced diploma, then honors or post graduate is NQF8, masters NQF9, doctorate NQF10.
You should usually try and at least get to NQF7 now, the diploma and advanced diploma are pretty easy, only apply for something like wethinkcode if you can't possibly get in anywhere and you can't do remote learning via UNISA, wethinkcode is still self-learning, so is pretty much the same thing, and getting an internship or junior position if you manage to get to 2 year UNISA and actually do code outside of it, will be pretty easy while you'll get a way better degree/education.
Code camps are definitely not a replacement for university level, that said, you can self-learn all of it, e.g. MIT open courseware has quite a lot of amazing content.
And to continue on the partner list:
EOH: lost huge amounts of devs
Limabean: was falling apart and underpays
Rhino Africa: tourism
BXC: doing job cuts
Atos: very bad salaries if I remember correctly, you're also a cog
Stackworz: cookie cutter web dev agency, but you get to build "apps"
Triggerfish: animation studio, not sure why you'd want to intern here.
Tourvest: tourism.
A third of that list are not great companies to intern at, that's just from the companies I know on that list, I haven't actually checked any of them in-depth.
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I've said this a few times lately.
Any course or degree, diploma or certification means absolutely nothing, if you have no interest or love for the topic or role.
What makes it worse is that most tech sites and top course searches lead people down a rabbit hole. They exit and can't understand why life sucks and that they're stuck with what they chose. Time and money down the tubes.
Don't do things for money.
Do it for love of it. Then get paid.
Don't be a tech hooker.
Any course or degree, diploma or certification means absolutely nothing, if you have no interest or love for the topic or role.
What makes it worse is that most tech sites and top course searches lead people down a rabbit hole. They exit and can't understand why life sucks and that they're stuck with what they chose. Time and money down the tubes.
Don't do things for money.
Do it for love of it. Then get paid.
Don't be a tech hooker.
TelkomUseless
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Spot on. Tech is always sold as "massive salaries" etc... and people get stuck on it.
And in todays environment, most companies are letting people go, job cuts etc (even in IT).
Many of the youngsters that go to WTC aren't the ones that can afford to go to varsity or pay for the diploma. This gives them an in, and pays them a stipend to survive during the course. It is most definitely not comparable to doing CS at uni.
From the main sponsors, FNB, BBD, Derivco they all pay well once you're in and continue to grow. I'm not sure if these devs have a high churn rate at the corporates or not.
It comes down to opportunities. This program lets people with potential get a foot in the door. I feel we need a lot more artisanal programs these days.
Emjay
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I also agree that self learning is the way of the future. Targeted assistance to be provided to those who battle with the course content. As our economies become more specialized, I don't see our one size fits all approach to education working. Universities have seen the writing on the wall and have started to change. EdX has so much quality content. I am looking to improve some financial modelling that I do and I was able to pick up a course for nothing to help me with this. Top quality. The limitation to our knowledge and skills is really our time and enthusiasm to learn.
Also, R20k for someone with only 1 year's experience is pretty decent.