This is one of the cheapest ways to buy a European passport – and how much it costs

[Visser]

hmm, for a Saffer who is middle-class, Panama seems to offer better than ZA

A lot better. Does not help to argue with someone who has very little knowledge or experience about what they are saying.

He is referring to a private unknown site called world of Nomads. Rather look at the official US website on Panama's crime.

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23561

Crime Threats

The crime threat in Panama is significant, and practicing common sense security habits is essential. Panama remains relatively safe when compared to other Central American countries, yet crime rates are high, including shootings, rapes, armed robberies, muggings, and thefts. The provinces with the largest cities also had the highest overall crime rates: Panama, Colon, Herrera, and Chiriquí. According to statistics from the Panamanian National Police (Policia Nacional de Panama, PNP), the overall homicide rate slightly rose from 421 in 2016 to 424 in 2017. Reports of robberies rose from 7,722 in 2016 to 9,683 in 2017. Petty theft also increased with 15,983 in 2016 and 16,867 in 2017. These are not positive signs and indicate that crime, and especially non-confrontational crime, remains a problem in Panama. Actual crime statistics may be higher than listed, due to lack of reporting in some rural provinces.

Just over 400 homicides a year. Just over 9600 robberies and 16800 petty thefts a year. This is almost South Africa's weekly statistics.

Now compare this to South Africa, for the same years 2016-2017 - of 20,000 homicides. 138,000 robberies.

What is there to compare?

 

[Visser]

So not really different to SA then.

Maybe less racism ?

He is talking BS, he has no experience or knowledge whatsoever. Take a look at the post above.

2016-2017 Panama has around 420 murders while SA has around 20,000. Panama has 9600 robberies while SA has 138,000.

Panama is way more advanced in Infrastructure than SA. They are a first world country compared to the total SA.

 

[MirageF1]

What is there to compare?

Failed matric and grade 1 Math I see.

I have a University Major in both Math and Applied Math.

What you forgot to add was...Panamas pop is just over 4 million....SA's is nearly 57 million...14 times larger.
So multiplying out your kindergarden math and you will soon realise...
that which eludes @Visser...
it's just another sh*thole as I previously alluded to.

 

[MirageF1]

So not really different to SA then.

Maybe less racism ?

No difference. See my post ^^^^ after the donkey Visser's braying...

 

[Visser]

Failed matric and grade 1 Math I see.

I have a University Major in both Math and Applied Math.

What you forgot to add was...Panamas pop is just over 4 million....SA's is nearly 57 million...14 times larger.
So multiplying out your kindergarden math and you will soon realise...
that which eludes @Visser...
it's just another sh*thole as I previously alluded to.

Go do your maths clever man, SA will still have double the murder and robbery rate, no matter how you want to calculate it.

 

[quovadis]

Panama is way more advanced in Infrastructure than SA. They are a first world country compared to the total SA.

I believe you’re technically biased based on all your other emigration to Panama posts of late. If Panama is your thing that’s cool - it’s not necessarily others.

 

[Visser]

I believe you’re technically biased based on all your other emigration to Panama posts of late. If Panama is your thing that’s cool - it’s not necessarily others.

I am, simply because it is a cheap and fast way out for anyone who wants to leave the country of have a backup plan in place. You will still be moving to a better and safer country than SA. There is nowhere else in the world where you can buy a permanent residency for less than R50k.

 

[quovadis]

I am, simply because it is a cheap and fast way out for anyone who wants to leave the country of have a backup plan in place. You will still be moving to a better and safer country than SA.

I’m pretty sure that having residence in any country requires actual residence and not be a long term “backup plan” well at least for first world countries. Whether Panama or SA is better would be a truly subjective opinion to most.

 

[Visser]

I’m pretty sure that having residence in any country requires actual residence and not be a long term “backup plan” well at least for first world countries. Whether Panama or SA is better would be a truly subjective opinion to most.

Subjectivity will fly out the window the day you urgently need to flee the country. There may come a time when any other country will be a million times better than this one. Just ask the many other African people who flee their countries. Just ask the 9000+ South Africans who last year alone started the process or received their Panamanian residence permits. Not everyone can afford millions of rands, but many can afford about 50k, which is what this article is all about.

 

[quovadis]

Subjectivity will fly out the window the day you urgently need to flee the country. There may come a time when any other country will be a million times better than this one. Just ask the many other African people who flee their countries. Just ask the 9000+ South Africans who last year alone started the process or received their Panamanian residence permits.

You really are jaded about your own country even with its pros, cons and challenges. I’m pretty sure most countries would prefer active residence instead of being a “backup plan” which is the point I’m trying to make.

 

[Visser]

You really are jaded about your own country even with its pros, cons and challenges. I’m pretty sure most countries would prefer active residence instead of being a “backup plan” which is the point I’m trying to make.

Nothing to be enthusiastic about in South Africa at this point in time. Those who have not made the proper arrangements for a better future, should it be needed some day, are doing so at their own peril. Again, what this article is about. Just informing people that there are cheap options to have a second residency in Europe, if needed. I am just saying that there is a cheaper option elsewhere for those who cannot afford millions.

 

[quovadis]

Nothing to be enthusiastic about in South Africa at this point in time. Those who have not made the proper arrangements for a better future, should it be needed some day, are doing so at their own peril. Again, what this article is about. Just informing people that there are cheap options to have a second residency in Europe, if needed. I am just saying that there is a cheaper option elsewhere for those who cannot afford millions.

And my point is that at some point you actually need to go live there. Even European countries can consider you to have abandoned your residency if you’re not actually resident there.

 

[Visser]

And my point is that at some point you actually need to go live there. Even European countries can consider you to have abandoned your residency if you’re not actually resident there.

Every country has its own rules when it comes to immigration. You need to read those rules and be familiar with it, or else you risk the chance to lose your residency.

I know a South African who obtained his Panamanian residency in 2016. He has been in SA since. He travelled back to Panama last month to sign a lease agreement on his property he bought there back then to a US movie production house. He still has his residency and have not been in the country for a year and a half.

 

[quovadis]

Every country has its own rules when it comes to immigration. You need to read those rules and be familiar with it.

Hence why I’m saying that if you’re intention of obtaining residency in a other country is a “backup plan” they would typically frown upon that.

 

[Visser]

Hence why I’m saying that if you’re intention of obtaining residency in a other country is a “backup plan” they would typically frown upon that.

What is nice about Panama is that it is not required to live in Panama in order to maintain your second residency or work toward your second passport.

 

[MirageF1]

The oft quoted expression...you get what you pay for comes to mind here.

No doubt mompara doesn't care as long as it's not in SA.
To him and others like him ,anywhere is better than here.

But unlike me...I bet you he has never stepped foot outside this country or continent!
Even less lived overseas for a considerable period as I have.

'Nuf said.

 

[quovadis]

What is nice about Panama is that it is not required to live in Panama in order to maintain your second residency or work toward your second passport.

Sorry, what? No, you need to resident at some stage.

 

[Visser]

Sorry, what? No, you need to resident at some stage.

But of course, you do that when you start the process. You can do it only from Panama.

By the way, when you start the process, you can no longer leave the country. But, you can apply for a multiple entry/exit visa should you want to leave Panama while the application is ongoing. The fee for this visa is normally included in all attorney fees and costs almost nothing. Once residency is obtained the visa expires and you are then free to come and go as you wish. They have no laws or rules on having to stay in the country in order to maintain your residency.

I have been there for almost 6 months. Heading back there next month as I am busy buying a property.

 

[quovadis]

But of course, you do that when you start the process. You can do it only from Panama.

By the way, when you start the process, you can no longer leave the country. But, you can apply for a multiple entry/exit visa should you want to leave Panama while the application is ongoing. The fee for this visa is normally included in all attorney fees and costs almost nothing. Once residency is obtained the visa expires and you are then free to come and go as you wish. They have no laws or rules on having to stay in the country in order to maintain your residency.

I have been there for almost 6 months. Heading back there next month as I am busy buying a property.

Actually there are rules to maintain your residency and should you wish to advance to citizenship you will need to show permanent ties to the country including language, culture etc and then renounce your SA citizenship.

 

[Visser]

Actually there are rules to maintain your residency and should you wish to advance to citizenship you will need to show permanent ties to the country including language, culture etc and then renounce your SA citizenship.

Nothing for Panama. Feel free to speak to Immigration attorneys and then come back to me with facts.