This is the device thieves are using to steal your car

[R13...]

And there is they issue where the perp (in vehicle or on foot) slightly opens a passenger door before the driver locks their door (as they do with remote locking vehicle, if they don't jam it) so that none of the doors lock when the driver attempts to lock. How will one test if ones car is really locked by pulling on the handle, if one has keyless entry?

I've seen that on the Tiguan you must almost touch the driver's handle to unlock keyless. So in that case you can just look and see if the immobiliser indicator is on or not. Didn't ask if keyless works for all doors and didn't ask but it looked like it's drivers only which then unlocks all the other doors. And mirrors fold when it's locked.

 

[CAPS LOCK]

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Land Rover defender (real one)?

 

[ForceFate]

And there is they issue where the perp (in vehicle or on foot) slightly opens a passenger door before the driver locks their door (as they do with remote locking vehicle, if they don't jam it) so that none of the doors lock when the driver attempts to lock. How will one test if ones car is really locked by pulling on the handle, if one has keyless entry?

AFAIK, some cars don't flash their "hazards" if one attempts to lock while one (or more) passenger door(s) is open.

 

[TheJman]

What I don't understand is why we haven't yet gone the way of the OnStar system in the USA.

The device is actually built into the car, and you cannot remove it as it links the electronics with the engine - it also allows you to turn the vehicle off slowly in the event of hijacking... guess it just comes down to a cost issue

 

[Gaz{M}]

For newer BMW's, they had to connect to a server in Germany to program a new key.

 

[konfab]

What I don't understand is why we haven't yet gone the way of the OnStar system in the USA.

The device is actually built into the car, and you cannot remove it as it links the electronics with the engine - it also allows you to turn the vehicle off slowly in the event of hijacking... guess it just comes down to a cost issue

Why would you want that?

I would want the system to suddenly cut the engine and apply the breaks when the car hits 60km/h

 

[flippakitten]

I don't know hey... I'd say a Gun is probably the tool of choice?

 

[ubercal]

This is the device thieves are using to steal your car

Car thieves are employing the use of diagnostic key readers to override a car's security system and clone car keys based on the data the key reader is able to siphon

www.iol.co.za

ive always believed in physical security first then fancy electronics later.Iam currently using a disklok steering wheel lock.

 

[supersunbird]

I don't know hey... I'd say a Gun is probably the tool of choice?

It is... for hijacking, not for theft.

 

[Sensorei]

What if the car doesn't use a key?

Then you just need a blank transponder chip for that type of vehicle as used in the proximity key (R70 - R150), you reset the immobiliser with the tool (1 minute), write the new data from the immobiliser onto the chip with the programmer (90 seconds), push start and drive the car away. 2-3 minutes total.

 

[supersunbird]

ive always believed in physical security first then fancy electronics later.Iam currently using a disklok steering wheel lock.

Interesting, also prevents them from sawing through the steering wheel to release, like other steering wheel locks.

Steering Locks - Saunderson Security

Steering Locks

saundersonsecurity.co.za

 

[satanboy]

Then you just need a blank transponder chip for that type of vehicle as used in the proximity key (R70 - R150), you reset the immobiliser with the tool (1 minute), write the new data from the immobiliser onto the chip with the programmer (90 seconds), push start and drive the car away. 2-3 minutes total.

and what if it doesn't have wheels?

 

[Flanders]

This is the device thieves are using to steal your car

Half expected to open this thread to...

 

[ubercal]

Interesting, also prevents them from sawing through the steering wheel to release, like other steering wheel locks.

Steering Locks - Saunderson Security

Steering Locks

saundersonsecurity.co.za

I have 2 of these steering locks.Had to import from the UK first time round as nobody in SA sold it.Then later on bought a 2nd one from Saunderson Security.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

the diagnostic key which they insert into a car's on-board diagnostics OBD port from where they begin controlling the functions of the car. Alarms can be disabled, doors unlocked

erm, if you can get to that port you've already gained access to the inside of the car ... surely you don't need anything fancy to unlock the doors at that point?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

This is apparently helped along by the fact that regulations don't allow manufacturers to encrypt the connection which regulators claim opens up the market.

that doesn't make any sense, you can simply use an open encryption standard (PGP anyone?) and private/public key pairs to have the connection secure, but still open to service providers

 

[Willie Trombone]

Almost makes one long for the days when the fanciest electronics in a car was the two-track (philips) cassette player and 4-band radio. A fave hack was using the folded striking pad from a box of Lion matches to clean the distributor contacts. Then again, the front vent windows were easy to swivel open. So maybe not.

...and the Aircon would get you hijacked today.